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Apr 9, 2013 20:21:44   #
SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
According to this article, the Department of Homeland Security might have some doubts as to whether American Christians are trustworthy when it comes to national security.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/04/09/colorado-state-police-homeland-security-target-christians/?utm_source=Daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2013-04-13_211627&utm_content=4743992&utm_term=_211627_211634

Now the term "Christian" is a large umbrella, meaning different things to different people. But in general, it means people who have some kind of belief in a God in Heaven, and a his son named Jesus. Among these people there are a lot of beliefs and practices; some of them might even seem whacky or odd to other believers and non-believers.

Some people under this umbrella might be prone to violence, but historically Christians are not people prone to over throwing America. They just want to live peacefully and take care of their families and worship God as they see fit; without undue threats from an over watching government.

As Christians, or people of any religion, are we being set up for future problems?

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Apr 9, 2013 21:34:04   #
SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
Another example of official dissemination of distrust of Christians:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/army-email-labels-christian-ministries-as-domestic-hate-groups.html

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Apr 9, 2013 23:17:08   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
Gotta watch out for those Christians! If I recall right, they are the same group of radicals that threw out the British in the late 1700's. They are also the same ones whom seem to be the only ones who knew the true reasoning behind the 2nd amendment and the real meaning of separation of church & state. Now we have homoland security wanting to limit the number of people in a group in the name of national security.

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Apr 10, 2013 01:41:55   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
tainkc wrote:
Gotta watch out for those Christians! If I recall right, they are the same group of radicals that threw out the British in the late 1700's. They are also the same ones whom seem to be the only ones who knew the true reasoning behind the 2nd amendment and the real meaning of separation of church & state. Now we have homoland security wanting to limit the number of people in a group in the name of national security.


There has been a great debate on this board about the religious beliefs of the founding fathers. True historians and biographers of the men have concluded that although most of these men believed in a god they were not strict Christians. They opposed the Church of England (Episcopal in the U.S) leading to the first amendment to the Constitution which forbids the government from creating and or requiring a specific religion. Before 1776 the colonies were sharply divided along religious lines. William Penn was granted Pennsylvania to be a home for the Quakers. Maryland was a Catholic colony and refuge for the many Catholics from being hanged in Carolinas and Georgia. So dire were the consequences of the strife between the different faiths that it became obvious to the framers of government that a Federal mandate (Constitution) would be required to ensure the safety of the all the citizens of the new country.

As to the threat posed by Christian fundamentalists to national security, I am sure it is no greater than the threat posed by any other sect run by zealots.

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Apr 10, 2013 02:16:46   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
Christians are no different than any other group of people some can be trusted and some can't. Christians by their covenant and beliefs should indeed be trustworthy but as we live in a fallen world many fail and all fall victim to sin.

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Apr 10, 2013 04:59:37   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
RixPix wrote:

As to the threat posed by Christian fundamentalists to national security, I am sure it is no greater than the threat posed by any other sect run by zealots.


Including the sect of the Humanist/Materialist/Atheist zealots.

Fully agree.

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Apr 10, 2013 05:29:49   #
WNC Ralf Loc: Candler NC, in the mountains!
 
Believe in Jesus Christ, was raised Christian, but why are we trying to make our beliefs law? Establishing a "state religion"? Forcing laws against birth control and attacking other people's rights is WRONG! That is why we are seeing a backlash against Christians IMO.

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Apr 10, 2013 05:35:47   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
WNC Ralf wrote:
Believe in Jesus Christ, was raised Christian, but why are we trying to make our beliefs law? Establishing a "state religion"? Forcing laws against birth control and attacking other people's rights is WRONG! That is why we are seeing a backlash against Christians IMO.


The problem is this: SOMEBODY'S beliefs will be law...that's for sure....Christian...non-Christian...laws reflect SOMEBODY'S beliefs about what is right and what is wrong.

The backlash isn't because Christians are "forcing" anything.

PS: You just attacked my right to have Christian values with your belief that I shouldn't have them.

If you TRULY don't want one group to make their views known and to try and get others to comply...then don't state your views about it....otherwise you are being hypocritical.

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Apr 10, 2013 05:50:47   #
shagbat Loc: London
 
All religion is a means of control of the masses.
It comes down to who has the most viable imaginary friend.

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Apr 10, 2013 06:04:07   #
Jan F. Rasmussen Loc: Denmark
 
shagbat wrote:
All religion is a means of control of the masses.
It comes down to who has the most viable imaginary friend.


Well said... or "the most viable and ruthless imaginary friend"

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Apr 10, 2013 06:11:02   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
shagbat wrote:
All religion is a means of control of the masses.
It comes down to who has the most viable imaginary friend.


Of course this isn't true...but considering the reference to "imaginary friend" I'm sure that being open minded about other's beliefs isn't a hallmark of this poster...

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Apr 10, 2013 06:12:29   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Well said... or "the most viable and ruthless imaginary friend"


I guess we all have "imaginary" friends...I have the Christian God...you have "eons of time, random chance processes, and mutations".

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Apr 10, 2013 06:13:16   #
shagbat Loc: London
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Well said... or "the most viable and ruthless imaginary friend"


We are so lucky to live in secular societies.

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Apr 10, 2013 07:18:18   #
creativ simon Loc: Coulsdon, South London
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Well said... or "the most viable and ruthless imaginary friend"


Thank heavens I dont believe most wars are over religion and kill many. How good is that

I am not a sheep and dont need leading

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Apr 10, 2013 07:22:34   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
This description of what American Christians are like is missing something: mention of the fact that there are quite a few sects out that that are extremely dogmatic. Either you do or believe things their way, or they really degenerate into hate groups. Next time you look at one of these groups, stand back, get a little distance from them, and ask yourself if the content of their dogma doesn't include considerable hate and condescension, all under the rubric of "Feeling sorry for non-believers."



MisterWilson wrote:
According to this article, the Department of Homeland Security might have some doubts as to whether American Christians are trustworthy when it comes to national security.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/04/09/colorado-state-police-homeland-security-target-christians/?utm_source=Daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2013-04-13_211627&utm_content=4743992&utm_term=_211627_211634

Now the term "Christian" is a large umbrella, meaning different things to different people. But in general, it means people who have some kind of belief in a God in Heaven, and a his son named Jesus. Among these people there are a lot of beliefs and practices; some of them might even seem whacky or odd to other believers and non-believers.

Some people under this umbrella might be prone to violence, but historically Christians are not people prone to over throwing America. They just want to live peacefully and take care of their families and worship God as they see fit; without undue threats from an over watching government.

As Christians, or people of any religion, are we being set up for future problems?
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