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Apr 8, 2013 17:08:56   #
77firebird Loc: Van Buren Ar.
 
I was out playing with my variable ND filter and had a few shots come out with blue in them. Is this a bad filter or was I doing something wrong.

bad
bad...

not so bad
not so bad...

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Apr 8, 2013 17:27:26   #
Wendy2 Loc: California
 
Whoa! That looks bad! Is it a graduated filter? Kinda looks like it's graduated all over the place ;)

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Apr 8, 2013 17:50:12   #
Kentee Loc: Southern California
 
Did you, by chance, also have a polarizing filter ahead of it?

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Apr 8, 2013 17:50:33   #
jolusanu
 
Ithink is a cheap filter,they make that blue issue in the center,is much better use one no variable unless is a good one

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Apr 8, 2013 17:54:37   #
Izza1967 Loc: Bristol, England
 
This has been covered before......... :)

I have a cheap variable ND filter and if I turn it too far I can recreate that same cross pattern. Back it off a little and it is fine.

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Apr 8, 2013 18:15:00   #
RaydancePhoto
 
77firebird wrote:
I was out playing with my variable ND filter and had a few shots come out with blue in them. Is this a bad filter or was I doing something wrong.


Looks like a bad filter to me.

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Apr 8, 2013 21:23:46   #
robert-photos Loc: Chicago
 
77firebird wrote:
I was out playing with my variable ND filter and had a few shots come out with blue in them. Is this a bad filter or was I doing something wrong.


A varible density ND filter is essentially two circular polarizing filters. You should only use variable NDs within their recommended 2 to 8 stop range.

If you go beyond the “MAX”, you may experience an uneven exposure or color shift that appears as an “X bar” in the image.

This is more common when using higher densities on full frame cameras and at shorter focal lengths especially with lesser quality filters; however, it can be experienced with any variable ND filter on any camera and at any any focal length. Lesser quality filters may only allow a 5 stop range before a pronounced "x" bar appears.

This is a common issue– it’s the law of physics when combining two polarizing filters; however, it can be eliminated.

First, adjust your focal length and then reduce the density (stop value) setting by rotating the filter ring until the color shift disappears.

Rather than spend $$$$ I've built my own vari-ND filters with two CPL's. It is quite easy and as long as you are mindful of the above limitations they work quite well.

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Apr 8, 2013 22:02:46   #
77firebird Loc: Van Buren Ar.
 
robert-photos wrote:
A varible density ND filter is essentially two circular polarizing filters. You should only use variable NDs within their recommended 2 to 8 stop range.

If you go beyond the “MAX”, you may experience an uneven exposure or color shift that appears as an “X bar” in the image.

This is more common when using higher densities on full frame cameras and at shorter focal lengths especially with lesser quality filters; however, it can be experienced with any variable ND filter on any camera and at any any focal length. Lesser quality filters may only allow a 5 stop range before a pronounced "x" bar appears.

This is a common issue– it’s the law of physics when combining two polarizing filters; however, it can be eliminated.

First, adjust your focal length and then reduce the density (stop value) setting by rotating the filter ring until the color shift disappears.

Rather than spend $$$$ I've built my own vari-ND filters with two CPL's. It is quite easy and as long as you are mindful of the above limitations they work quite well.
A varible density ND filter is essentially two cir... (show quote)


I have the ProMaster I did not think at 65.00 bucks that it was not cheap. Did go out and do what you suggested and it work just fine.

Thank for all the comments

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Apr 8, 2013 22:30:24   #
robert-photos Loc: Chicago
 
77firebird wrote:
I have the ProMaster I did not think at 65.00 bucks that it was not cheap. Did go out and do what you suggested and it work just fine.

Thank for all the comments


Top of the line is Singh-Ray 77mm Vari-N-Trio Variable ND Filter going for ~$540 at B & H 8-)

You can DIY one for less than $20 off of eBay ;)

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Apr 8, 2013 22:49:50   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
robert-photos wrote:
Top of the line is Singh-Ray 77mm Vari-N-Trio Variable ND Filter going for ~$540 at B & H 8-)

You can DIY one for less than $20 off of eBay ;)

Care to share your plans for this?

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Apr 8, 2013 23:38:15   #
robert-photos Loc: Chicago
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Care to share your plans for this?


Easy...just Google "diy varible nd filter"
Should get you over 50,000 hits. Select your flavor...video or PDF.

The best CPL's are the thinest....a bit more expensive but they work better.

Basically you take apart one CPL, reverse the glass, reassemble and put the two together.

You'll have to calibrate the min and max.

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Apr 9, 2013 05:30:14   #
JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK
 
Some info

















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Apr 9, 2013 05:59:00   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
jolusanu wrote:
Ithink is a cheap filter,they make that blue issue in the center,is much better use one no variable unless is a good one


It's not a cheap filter problem; it happens even with very expensive ones..it's just what happens with variable ND filters.

When you "max them out" or come close to maxing them, AND you are using a "fairly short" lens....that's what you get....the dreaded X....

Just back it off a few stops and/or use a longer lens.

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Apr 9, 2013 08:12:31   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
JR1 wrote:
Some info

Thanks for the article. :thumbup:

Those people look sooo happy.

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Apr 9, 2013 08:13:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
robert-photos wrote:
Easy...just Google "diy varible nd filter"
Should get you over 50,000 hits. Select your flavor...video or PDF.

The best CPL's are the thinest....a bit more expensive but they work better.

Basically you take apart one CPL, reverse the glass, reassemble and put the two together.

You'll have to calibrate the min and max.

I got 746,000 hits in .36 seconds. I guess I know what I'll be doing for the next three months. :D

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