Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX

:?: Perhaps I was a bit harsh - -
And Thanks for your Service.
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I promised myself to stay away from the chat forums - - but I occasionally forget.
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Anyway - - back on topic - - there is NOTHING about any of the newly proposed laws that would have prevented Newtown or the Batman Massacre in Colorado. The only thing that would have stopped those - was an armed good guy amongst the sheep.
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The politicians are scared to death of an armed populace - - as they come closer and closer to emulating King George {for those of you who don't remember your history lessons - - think American revolution}. They will use any excuse possible to increase the disparity between the force they can project and that of the populace they seek to control. They remove any ability for self protection from the people, all the while surrounding themselves with more and more layers of taxpayer funded bodyguards (secret service, FBI, CIA, NSA) - - take Bloomberg for example {please!} - - Mr no 32-oz sodas for YOU ! And no 15 round magazines either.
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?? Magazine capacity ??
Why does someone need a 5-liter, turbocharged engine in their Shelby Cobra ??
No place you can really use that either - -
"My neighbor asked why anyone would need a car that can go 190 mph. If the answer isn't obvious, an explanation won't help." - Csabe Csere
And maybe some of us believe that there IS a place for an 'armed militia' - -
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The politicians also don't care about the effects these laws have on the criminals - they KNOW the criminals won't obey the laws anyway - - the only folks impacted by these restrictions are the ones we don't need to worry about.
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And BW: You've only been out of diapers 7 years longer than me.

BW326 Loc: Boynton Beach, Florida

I thought I was taking a bit of reach with that. :D

But I'm still taking a break from the section for awhile ... I'm just getting a bit surly in my old age I guess. I'll be in a better mood when I get back ....

Kudos to you for taking it all with a grain of salt.

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Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX

That what old age is all about - - we've been there, done that, and hopefully know better.
But we can now plausibly say that 'I just - - forgot' - -

ole sarg Loc: south florida

BMW326 you forget these folks who espouse the virtues of gun ownership are for the most part chicken hawks. They have never been fired upon or fired at anything other than some poor bird or paper target. Missed both!

Penny most of the cultures in the western world and in Japan have the same violent games as we do and yet they do not go about killing 21 innocent children in a school. What they have in common are stricter gun laws than we do.

Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX

Sorry sarge - - but during my 26 years in the military, have gone through several incidents such as the time I sat on my steel pot flying over Banjaluka in a Sea Stallion to prevent the ground fire from tickling my privates. And while I've not been IN a fire fight - and hope to never be in one - - with the CRAZY direction this country is going - - you had better be prepared to protect that, and those, which are important to you. When seconds count - - the cops are only minutes away - -
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Japan has NEVER allowed guns - - so there just AREN'T many over there to be had (other than the Yakuza - who all have them). Sure - - gun control reduces firearm deaths where there AREN'T any guns {Japan} - - but how about deaths by Katana?

Here in the states - - our HISTORY has been shaped by Winchester. To deny that history would be to deny our heritage. Besides - - a universally armed populace tends to be a VERY POLITE society - - it's only when there is a vast discrepancy that the problems arise. When guns are outlawed - ONLY outlaws {and politicians - but whats the difference :?:} will have guns.

In the land of the blind - the one-eyed man is king.

Photogdog Loc: New Kensington, PA

Sarge,

I have the utmost respect for you and your service to this country. However, I have to go with old Ben on this one:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
This was written by Franklin, within quotation marks but is generally accepted as his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (1818). A variant of this was published as:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts that were used in it.

I just don't get it. A guy gets behind the wheel of car and plows into a crowd of people and kills a dozen or so, the guy gets arrested because he was responsible. The same guy take a chainsaw and chops somebody to pieces and the guy gets arrested because he was responsible. The same guy takes a knife and stabs somebody 20 times and he gets arrested because he was responsible.

This same guy shoots someone and all of a sudden the gun took on a life of its own, jumped into the guy's hand, took control of his mind and wreaked havoc.

I think they call it animism; imbuing life to inamimate objects.

Cars, trucks, chainsaws, knives, etc are all tools and yet somehow guns are evil living beings beyond the control of their human masters!?

Fine. Pass another law. I'll wait outside while the Crips and the Bloods stand in line to turn in their submachine guns.

D.Clayton Loc: Arizona

You hit it perfectly! All those who like the present gun laws and who want even more laws need to answer that question... What makes a gun take on a life of its own...when murders with others tools do not? According to 5 USC 556 d the proponent of a rule or order has the burden of proof! If you want stand by the law then step up and start explaining the difference.
Don't forget the planes as weapons either! On 911 how many died by the miss use of planes but I never once heard any new laws restricting the sale of them or limiting the number if passengers or how much fuel they can carry?
In theory...based on the logic of the gun control background check laws every person getting on a plane needs a full very extensive background check to make sure your capable of sitting in tight quarters without losing it or have a possible desire to take over the plane and fly it into a building!
If this BS with the background checks continue....I can see it coming where you will eventually be required to carry stamp on your drivers license that shows you've been tested by a STATE approved department that you are of sound mind! If your not found of sound mind they'll take you to concentrations camps!!!
God help us!!!

Photogdog Loc: New Kensington, PA

Sorry, I screwed-up! The passenger jet liners are a HUGE weapon and I should have thought of that. I think I need to get some sleep.

D.Clayton Loc: Arizona

:D

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

I'm not sure when it was you stopped to think but it is obvious you forgot to start again. Tired old misinformed Bolsheviks rarely utter anything worth considering, in my onion.

Photogdog Loc: New Kensington, PA

I have to tell you an interesting story. Years ago I was driving into work and I was listening to a local radio station. They had this woman on the line who had recently flown out of the Greater Pittsburgh airport. It was August and it was a HOT summer.

This woman was traveling with her husband, two little kids and a third one in a stroller. They're trying to manage the kids while juggling carry-on baggage, the toddlers and the stroller.

Most of the people in line are wearing shorts and light shirts or blouses. She says there's a woman in front of them of obvious Middle Eastern descent who's covered head to toe in the stifling heat. The security guard barely gives her a glance and passes her through. Meanwhile, this woman and her family are almost stripped searched and their carry-on bags are dumped and sorted. The woman loses it and asks why in the HELL are they being treated this way when the woman ahead of them was wasn't even given a glance?

The guard responds "We've been told not to profile."

Good God! It's like anti-affirmative action all over again.

Just like the Fall of the Roman Empire; add political correctness to internal corruption and you have the perfect brew.