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Apr 3, 2013 06:26:23   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
Sneidley wrote:
Ok I think I've got it. I like the idea of a slightly heavier lens, and the 15mm I wouldn't cover from 55 to 70 won't bother me. So it's the 70-300 it is.
And $339 shipped doesn't look too bad either.


The 70-300 is the wise choice. It is much faster to lock focus and it's bang on every time. I had both about a year ago when the 55-300 arrived bundled with D7000. I sold it almost immediately.

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Apr 3, 2013 07:40:42   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
craggycrossers wrote:
A little info that might help you unravel the mysteries of Nikon cameras and lenses :-

Very good answer. This should go to the FAQ section. :thumbup:

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Apr 3, 2013 07:57:36   #
craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Very good answer. This should go to the FAQ section. :thumbup:


Thanks.

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Apr 3, 2013 08:21:00   #
Flipper2012 Loc: Alberta, Canada
 
VERY GOOD JOB
craggycrossers wrote:
A little info that might help you unravel the mysteries of Nikon cameras and lenses :-

Nikon Cameras and Nikkor Lenses.
This information is important to understand in terms of future camera/lens planning.
Nikon camera bodies are either termed “Full Frame” (FX) or “APS-C” (DX), the difference being the size of the sensor. Full frame cameras tend to be for professionals or “extreme enthusiasts”.

Current FX cameras include the D4, D3, the D700 and the newly-introduced in 2012 D800 and D600.

Current DX cameras are the D3000 and D5000 series, the D7000, D7100 and the older D80, D90 and the “semi-pro” D200, D300 and D300s.

Nikon lenses are designated either FX or DX.

A DX camera has an APS -C smaller sensor and lenses with a DX in the title were built specifically for this sensor. The DX designated lenses are made smaller and lighter specifically for use on DX bodies in accordance with the reduced needs of the crop sensor. Nikon allows DX lenses to be used on all their FX bodies, but with reduced sensor size results, or else with extreme vignetting.

FX lenses will work on all DX bodies and give the advantage of only needing the centre portion (sweet spot) of the glass in those lenses, typically giving even better net results than they do on FX bodies. FX lenses are also a much better investment as they will not depreciate in value nearly as much as DX lenses, primarily due to the increasing number of users for these lenses. There appears to be an increasing number of DX users moving up to FX bodies. But you can use FX lenses with a DX camera.
All the forum pundits advise that if you are ever thinking of “going FX” then you should buy FX lenses from the start. So as you start buying lenses, give some thought to this !!
Nikon lenses are either "manual focus" (Ai, Ai-S) or "auto-focus" (AF, AF-D, AF-S and AF-S with a G designation, which are the newest).

Unless you are prepared to learn and cope with the (old-fashioned) “manual method” of focussing a lens you should only look for “auto-focus” lenses. Nowadays many older, but high quality manual focus lenses are available, and often are much less expensive, but they are only for use if you don't mind manual focusing... !

Very important !! ....... the most modern auto-focus lenses have their own internal auto-focus motor. Others need to be driven by a motor for that purpose in the camera body. Only lenses with an AF-S designation have their own internal drive motor. Nikon call it "Silent Wave Motor". All the others need to be used on a camera with its own in-camera motor for auto-focus to work. Nikon D3000/D5000 series cameras do NOT have that drive motor and will therefore only autofocus with an AF-S lens. DX Cameras WITH that motor are the D90, D300, D300s, D7000, D7100 and the Full Frame (FX) models the D700, the new D600, the D800 and the pro models the D3, D3x, D4.

Which lenses are good? The term you will see used amongst many enthusiasts for a lens is "glass" – a terrible affectation in my opinion. All Nikon lenses are good, but some are better than others. You usually "get what you pay for". There are also what is known as "fast" lenses. These tend to be either "primes" (single focal length) or zooms (eg 24-70mm/70-200mm) which have a better capability in low light situations. Look for lenses with an aperture of f1.2, f1.4, f1.8, f2, f2.5, f2.8, f4 - and for zooms it should be the same constant large aperture across the whole zoom range. That is NOT to say that lenses with larger aperture range (eg f3.5 - f5.6) are not good. Many will advise "buy the camera body only, then buy the best lens you can afford". Wise advice which can save you a lot of cash in the long run !
A little info that might help you unravel the myst... (show quote)

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Apr 3, 2013 08:32:30   #
djlen Loc: Somerdale, S.Jersey
 
Sneidley wrote:
Ok I think I've got it. I like the idea of a slightly heavier lens, and the 15mm I wouldn't cover from 55 to 70 won't bother me. So it's the 70-300 it is.
And $339 shipped doesn't look too bad either.


That is a great price for that lens!!! :thumbup:

I just bought one and am very happy with the quality of the lens. The auto-focus is very fast.
I think you will be happy with your purchase.

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Apr 3, 2013 08:36:32   #
craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK
 
Flipper2012 wrote:
VERY GOOD JOB


Thanks my Canadian friend. You know I was awfully "in the dark" about all that stuff. I got shot down once on this forum for my "lack of knowledge", and decided to try and get it all figured out and written down ...... for the benefit of others.

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Apr 3, 2013 09:02:37   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
craggycrossers wrote:
Thanks my Canadian friend. You know I was awfully "in the dark" about all that stuff. I got shot down once on this forum for my "lack of knowledge", and decided to try and get it all figured out and written down ...... for the benefit of others.


You certainly succeeded! Cheers! Rob.

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Apr 3, 2013 09:07:45   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Very good answer. This should go to the FAQ section. :thumbup:


Wow! I concur. FAQ material!!!
I see nothing missing from that.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 3, 2013 09:13:14   #
craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Wow! I concur. FAQ material!!!
I see nothing missing from that.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Thanks for thumbs up ! I posted it in FAQ. Don't know whether I'm supposed to get permissions etc, but I did it anyway.

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Apr 3, 2013 09:51:48   #
Nate Loc: Ann Arbor, Mi.
 
First, you might find an even better price at OneCall.com

And, If we are talking about the same lenses......
I have run A/B resolution tests on both those lens and the 70--300 IF(internal focusing) lens is considerably sharper. It is, however, the heavier lens, but the VR is terrific and I have had no problems using it hand-held. It is, however, $200+ more expensive.

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Apr 3, 2013 10:00:30   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Good info for newbie's but I'd also add that when using the older manual focus Ai or Ai-S lenses, the base (or consumer) line will not meter with the older lenses although you can mount & shoot with them. Metering will have to be via either a hand held meter or a combination of the old "Sunny 16" rule to get you in the ballpark & then using the LCD & Histogram to fine tune your exposure.Only the D200 & above will meter with the old lenses & then only in Aperture or Manual modes (the D7000 & D7100 will also meter). You have to enter the max aperture & focal length into the camera's memory bank in order to get that info on your EXIF data ... The oldest Nikon lenses (Pre-Ai or Non Ai ) made before 1977 need to be modified in order to be able to be used on most newer Nikon DSLR's ( they can be used as is on the base models that lack the in body focus motor)

craggycrossers wrote:
A little info that might help you unravel the mysteries of Nikon cameras and lenses :-

Nikon Cameras and Nikkor Lenses.
This information is important to understand in terms of future camera/lens planning.
Nikon camera bodies are either termed “Full Frame” (FX) or “APS-C” (DX), the difference being the size of the sensor. Full frame cameras tend to be for professionals or “extreme enthusiasts”.

Current FX cameras include the D4, D3, the D700 and the newly-introduced in 2012 D800 and D600.

Current DX cameras are the D3000 and D5000 series, the D7000, D7100 and the older D80, D90 and the “semi-pro” D200, D300 and D300s.

Nikon lenses are designated either FX or DX.

A DX camera has an APS -C smaller sensor and lenses with a DX in the title were built specifically for this sensor. The DX designated lenses are made smaller and lighter specifically for use on DX bodies in accordance with the reduced needs of the crop sensor. Nikon allows DX lenses to be used on all their FX bodies, but with reduced sensor size results, or else with extreme vignetting.

FX lenses will work on all DX bodies and give the advantage of only needing the centre portion (sweet spot) of the glass in those lenses, typically giving even better net results than they do on FX bodies. FX lenses are also a much better investment as they will not depreciate in value nearly as much as DX lenses, primarily due to the increasing number of users for these lenses. There appears to be an increasing number of DX users moving up to FX bodies. But you can use FX lenses with a DX camera.
All the forum pundits advise that if you are ever thinking of “going FX” then you should buy FX lenses from the start. So as you start buying lenses, give some thought to this !!
Nikon lenses are either "manual focus" (Ai, Ai-S) or "auto-focus" (AF, AF-D, AF-S and AF-S with a G designation, which are the newest).

Unless you are prepared to learn and cope with the (old-fashioned) “manual method” of focussing a lens you should only look for “auto-focus” lenses. Nowadays many older, but high quality manual focus lenses are available, and often are much less expensive, but they are only for use if you don't mind manual focusing... !

Very important !! ....... the most modern auto-focus lenses have their own internal auto-focus motor. Others need to be driven by a motor for that purpose in the camera body. Only lenses with an AF-S designation have their own internal drive motor. Nikon call it "Silent Wave Motor". All the others need to be used on a camera with its own in-camera motor for auto-focus to work. Nikon D3000/D5000 series cameras do NOT have that drive motor and will therefore only autofocus with an AF-S lens. DX Cameras WITH that motor are the D90, D300, D300s, D7000, D7100 and the Full Frame (FX) models the D700, the new D600, the D800 and the pro models the D3, D3x, D4.

Which lenses are good? The term you will see used amongst many enthusiasts for a lens is "glass" – a terrible affectation in my opinion. All Nikon lenses are good, but some are better than others. You usually "get what you pay for". There are also what is known as "fast" lenses. These tend to be either "primes" (single focal length) or zooms (eg 24-70mm/70-200mm) which have a better capability in low light situations. Look for lenses with an aperture of f1.2, f1.4, f1.8, f2, f2.5, f2.8, f4 - and for zooms it should be the same constant large aperture across the whole zoom range. That is NOT to say that lenses with larger aperture range (eg f3.5 - f5.6) are not good. Many will advise "buy the camera body only, then buy the best lens you can afford". Wise advice which can save you a lot of cash in the long run !
A little info that might help you unravel the myst... (show quote)

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Apr 3, 2013 10:53:59   #
craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Good info for newbie's but I'd also add that when using the older manual focus Ai or Ai-S lenses, the base (or consumer) line will not meter with the older lenses although you can mount & shoot with them. Metering will have to be via either a hand held meter or a combination of the old "Sunny 16" rule to get you in the ballpark & then using the LCD & Histogram to fine tune your exposure.Only the D200 & above will meter with the old lenses & then only in Aperture or Manual modes (the D7000 & D7100 will also meter). You have to enter the max aperture & focal length into the camera's memory bank in order to get that info on your EXIF data ... The oldest Nikon lenses (Pre-Ai or Non Ai ) made before 1977 need to be modified in order to be able to be used on most newer Nikon DSLR's ( they can be used as is on the base models that lack the in body focus motor)
Good info for newbie's but I'd also add that when ... (show quote)


Thanks for that Scott - I was, maybe wrongly, assuming that there are few newcomers these days who will want to venture into that "ancient world" - hence for starting in the relatively recent past ! I seem to remember that you're the guy with a zillion old Nikkor lenses. Did you put up a photo of them once? Have you had a review and clear out yet? Or is there perhaps now an extra layer of dust ?!!

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Apr 3, 2013 11:03:50   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
I need to thin that herd ...Just won an eBay listing for an older 180mm F2.8 Ai Nikkor though...I am slowly upgrading the older lenses to the latest "Pro" models & will sell off the "slower" ones when I have the focal lengths covered with the "Pro" level stuff...I don't mind manual focus even though doing so with an unmodified DSLR focus screen can be a bit of a challenge. I changed out the screen on my old D70s & while I did get a screen for my D300, I have never needed to install it as I have been able to nail the focus most of the time...The older lenses allow me to cover focal lengths I can't afford to cover with newer lenses. Most of the time any shortcomings due to fringing or CA can be corrected in post if they appear. Would I like the "Latest & Greatest" ? Sure, but being retired with an adult son still living at home makes that difficult. Thus my quest for older lenses to "cover the bases"

craggycrossers wrote:
Thanks for that Scott - I was, maybe wrongly, assuming that there are few newcomers these days who will want to venture into that "ancient world" - hence for starting in the relatively recent past ! I seem to remember that you're the guy with a zillion old Nikkor lenses. Did you put up a photo of them once? Have you had a review and clear out yet? Or is there perhaps now an extra layer of dust ?!!

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Apr 3, 2013 11:08:20   #
craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
I need to thin that herd ...Just won an eBay listing for an older 180mm F2.8 Ai Nikkor though...I am slowly upgrading the older lenses to the latest "Pro" models & will sell off the "slower" ones when I have the focal lengths covered with the "Pro" level stuff...I don't mind manual focus even though doing so with an unmodified DSLR focus screen can be a bit of a challenge. I changed out the screen on my old D70s & while I did get a screen for my D300, I have never needed to install it as I have been able to nail the focus most of the time...The older lenses allow me to cover focal lengths I can't afford to cover with newer lenses. Most of the time any shortcomings due to fringing or CA can be corrected in post if they appear. Would I like the "Latest & Greatest" ? Sure, but being retired with an adult son still living at home makes that difficult. Thus my quest for older lenses to "cover the bases"
I need to thin that herd ...Just won an eBay listi... (show quote)


Nice answer - all goes to show, there's a lot of grey between black and white ! Good luck with your "re-positioning" !

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Apr 3, 2013 12:21:26   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
A full explaination:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-67596-1.html

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