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Mar 31, 2013 22:32:46   #
Sugar Pea
 
I'm leaving to buy one of these brilliant cameras within the hour. If you have used both of these cameras I would LOVE your feedback.

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Mar 31, 2013 23:42:45   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Ok, so what did you get? And do you know why you'd want a full frame camera?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/full-frame-advantage.htm

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Apr 1, 2013 00:20:26   #
Sugar Pea
 
SteveR wrote:
Ok, so what did you get? And do you know why you'd want a full frame camera?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/full-frame-advantage.htm


Still haven't gone... shop will close in an hour so will have to make my choice soon... I spose I wanted full frame for more artistic flexibility? Because people say full frame photos are better quality.. but will it be that much better? Ahhhhhhh

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Apr 1, 2013 01:28:07   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
If I had to choose one it would be the D600. I love my D7100 as it's fast, light and I like the added reach with the DX sensor. But the D600 is an awesome camera as well. See this comparison. http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon-D600-vs-Nikon-D7100

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Apr 1, 2013 01:41:22   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Pepper wrote:
If I had to choose one it would be the D600. I love my D7100 as it's fast, light and I like the added reach with the DX sensor. But the D600 is an awesome camera as well. See this comparison. http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon-D600-vs-Nikon-D7100


Pepper....I'd take this site with a grain of salt. It also picked the D600 over the D800. You have to look at the reason why to see my problem, and then look at what it lists as the advantages of the D800. One thing it forgets is the material and build of the 800 vs. the 600 as well.

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Apr 1, 2013 01:53:45   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
SteveR wrote:
Pepper....I'd take this site with a grain of salt. It also picked the D600 over the D800. You have to look at the reason why to see my problem, and then look at what it lists as the advantages of the D800. One thing it forgets is the material and build of the 800 vs. the 600 as well.


Compared to the D800,I thought the D600 feels like a toy.
I also found the control placement, iso, WB etc awkward.
Advantage the 600 has: quieter, lighter.

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Apr 1, 2013 02:34:45   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Compared to the D800,I thought the D600 feels like a toy.
I also found the control placement, iso, WB etc awkward.
Advantage the 600 has: quieter, lighter.


Goofy....Went to Port Aransas with my wife this past week and went out on a boat into Aransas Bay to see the Whooping Cranes and other birds. The D800 and 28-300 were great, even handheld. I've got some good shots to post once I process them (I've got to do some cropping). One of the male cranes went into his mating dance and I had the 800 on CL so I just held the button down and let it rip. I hope one of those shots turned out.

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Apr 1, 2013 05:28:13   #
Sugar Pea
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Compared to the D800,I thought the D600 feels like a toy.
I also found the control placement, iso, WB etc awkward.
Advantage the 600 has: quieter, lighter.


...cheaper :)

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Apr 1, 2013 05:29:54   #
Sugar Pea
 
Pepper wrote:
If I had to choose one it would be the D600. I love my D7100 as it's fast, light and I like the added reach with the DX sensor. But the D600 is an awesome camera as well. See this comparison. http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon-D600-vs-Nikon-D7100


Thank you. I now own my very first full frame camera! :)

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Apr 1, 2013 06:29:59   #
Indrajeet Singh Loc: Goa, India
 
Sugar Pea wrote:
I'm leaving to buy one of these brilliant cameras within the hour. If you have used both of these cameras I would LOVE your feedback.


I have both and use them for different applications. Just got the D7100 a couple of days ago, very happy with it so far.

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Apr 1, 2013 07:57:16   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
congratulations. I have the D600 as well and don't regret the purchase at all. it's an awesome camera. the lens that seems permanently attached to it is the 28-300 and I'm happy with the combination.

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Apr 1, 2013 10:46:12   #
avengine
 
Correct me if I am wrong.
if I want to jump to full frame camera, most of the sigma or tamron lens like the 18-250 macro for example cannot be use on the full frame camera? and this is something to keep in mind for this big jump.

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Apr 1, 2013 10:53:23   #
PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach
 
The D7100 has better video, if you are planning on uncompressed recording.

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Apr 1, 2013 11:22:20   #
saichiez Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon
 
PhotoArtsLA wrote:
The D7100 has better video, if you are planning on uncompressed recording.


Gosh, did they finally fix the "self oiling sensor" problem with the D600? You might want to ask how long the boxed D600 has been in the distribution pipeline, or on the shelf. (getting long shelf life on inventory is one of the down sides of supporting local business if you don't ask how long they've the particular camera in their establishment. That's not to say it can't happen on line. One should always confirm the MFR date on any expensive item.)

For me the major problem would be this:

The D600 still has a low-pass AA filter built in.
The D7100 does not have a low-pass AA filter.

Taking out that filter (not user do-able) is the new development that are giving camera's MUCH sharper images (many people are misconstruing this as Higher resolution...NOT!) Low Pass filtering (AA) has always de-sharpened the captured image slightly, which then leads to the exercise of setting sharpening in camera, or in post processing.

Nikon took the AA filter out of the D7100 for a particular reason. Along with whatever other advances, the removal of that filter kicked the image sharpness OOC up considerably. It was NOT an increase of sharpness in the sensor. It was a removal of an impediment that have been in digital DSLR camera's for quite some time.

Nikon also took a similar course when the D800 came out, after which they neutralized the low-pass AA filter and introduced the D800E for sharper images. And more money for taking OUT a component, thereby reducing production cost in parts and labor. But the price went UP! $300.00

Olympus has been using weaker AA filters since the E-PL1 which produces visibly sharper images than the previous camera with the same sensor and process engine. They are still using that technique.

Sony, Pentax and others are tackling the low-pass filtering as a means of creating sharper images.

The D600 still has a relatively normal AA filter, if that can be considered "normal".

That and the history of the D600 is a deal killer for me.

Also there is a site that rates repairability of the D600. It ranks the D600 at a 2 out of 10 possible for repair ease.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nikon+D600+Teardown/10708/1

Too many screws and all threaded into plastic. No brass bosses for screws to thread into.

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Apr 1, 2013 14:40:24   #
saichiez Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon
 
Added to supplement my post above:

Excerpt from Ken Rockwell. Specifically states the point about the increased sharpness of the D7100.... explains not so much due to sensor as removal of the AA filter. This is consistent with my own experience regarding weakening of AA filtering.

Per Rockwell,

"I love my previous-model Nikon D7000 from 2010. This new Nikon D7100 is the same thing, and even better, making the D7100 the world's best DX camera ever.

The D7100 is new in that it has an ordinary 24 MP sensor, but without an anti-alias filter for added sharpness. Honestly, it won't make much, if any, visible difference at less than 6-foot (2-meter) wide print sizes, and only if you use the very finest NIKKOR lenses and technique."

The D600 did not benefit by this change in AA removal as it came out before Nikon got around to this science. (But about 4 years after Olympus started such changes).

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