But its history correct? So according to you it doesn't matter. I'm not defending the dufus in charge for sure just pointing out she has her baggage just as bad or worse. Neither should be in charge of any thing.

Because we all know that Hillary is such a saint.

Sorry to hear. I hope you do not suffer to much pain. Enjoy the now. Praying for intervention.

I have been in and out of this forum for a few months now. Tried to be reasonable only to be pushed to a point where I did things I really never wanted to do or say...simply out of aggravation. (Go ahead, all the forum nazis, pull up all my posts..please at least try to show them in proper perspective. I fully admit errors and cracking more than a few times...then show me that you haven't). I can admit my errors, and inherent faults. Most here cannot. They like to bitch and whine. Claim they are forever perfect in their thought process and only their research is correct. This forum is useless. The only point is to give simple minded fools a place to vent and bitch at each other and claim perfection. You accomplish nothing but either thinking you are really cute / smart or like to get irritated. Why don't you start a liberal forum and a conservative forum? Do you really think you change anybody's mind with the hate that is spewed here? (Including mine in the past...guilty but done). Its a joke. It is simply a bitch session. A few here are really the real culprits of hate. SS...you are an angry old person. I am surprised your 1 and exclamation point buttons are not worn out. What a sad existence. Not that anyone here would give a flying fornication about what I think, but here is a thought: If you really give a shit try communicating instead of claiming superiority...try understanding that your side screws up, lies and takes the American public for their own gain..if you can't admit that you are not being realistic and deep down you know it. This forum is the living proof that we are indeed doomed to violence at some point. I feel bad that this place brought me to a point where I lost myself and became something I despise. My fault alone for returning here. I could list here a group of names that will respond with hate..but that will show itself. I fell into that trap myself as noted by my SS reference. Good luck and I hope you change the world. SS, you deserve nothing less than the intolerance and hate you spew. Try to enjoy the later years.

Please read my post once again so can stop insulting me for no reason. Yo will then see that I really don't have time to search all politicians truth and lies but I surely could name several more on either side if you wish. How did I accept lies unchallenged exactly? Where? Please be specific not just argumentative. I am simply saying it is odd that some do not hold their side to the same standards as the other. I think I just did by admitting Trump is a liar didn't I? Since you enjoy the search of political lies I suppose you have researched all democratic lies? True? And you simply haven't found any? My statement certainly doesn't accept all his lies. But I can't change the fact that he is our current President. I will wait until next time and vote for some other liar or not at all...because they indeed do all lie. And I will not go back and forth with you again as you did not even address my implied question here: Where was the outrage with the Dems lies? Did they not reach the magic 5,000 that is required. I do not defend Trump. And I certainly to wonder about much of what he has done. As I do many other politicians...he is not unique in the lying department when it comes to politicians. I asked a question and you personally attack. You attack when we actually agree. I believe I know why. Much of what you say makes sense, much is simply to argue. I will lay low for a bit and keep reading responses. Thanks for responding to mine. Just wish the question could have been answered. Maybe another subject...

As was Obama, Bush, Clinton and Bush again. You are spot on, it is not in dispute. Whats the point? Does my initial response justify Trumps lies? Absolutely not. Is one lie less than another? While I do not count lies of politicians as I do have a life we can go through just a couple:

Obama: "You can keep your doctor".
Bush: "WMD's in Iraq"
Clinton: Bill: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" Hillary: "We landed under sniper fire"
Bush: "Its not about the oil"

While I get the anger Trump causes, I just find it odd that there wasn't the same outrage when the Clintons lied repeatedly. Maybe there was and I missed it. Hush money to a mistress is even more hypocritical if you don't hold Clinton to the same standard Trump is being held to. What did Clinton pay Paula Jones? Trump is a goof and he is a bit embarrassing at times to this country. Whats even more embarrassing is that the best this country had to offer its citizens was a choice between Trump and Clinton. Lose, lose situation.

Some others would disagree and call it science. I agree with your thought but that is my point. Who decides whats science and what is propaganda? But what about the threat of the ice age back in the 70's? Scientific "theories" seem to change as more intelligence is gathered. Some are proven wrong and some are proven to be correct. I believe this because we don't know what we don't know. I simply say that anyone that claims to know as an absolute how the universe came to be is a fool. I cannot prove the existence of God to anyone but myself. I don't pretend to be able to. Like I said before, don't mean to be the broken record, but I respect your intelligence and thought process. Thanks for the back and forth.

I just disagree with science says so. Not being snarky here but is this the same science that said in 1975 we were headed for another Ice age? The same science that Al Gore said that all the ice would be off the poles by now? The same science that said we shouldn't eat but one or two eggs and has now changed its mind? As for the people of science, they are not infallible. I am not doubting all science by any means, but just because science says so does not mean it is an indisputable fact as the few above examples prove. Some times its dead on such as things that can be proven by some method not just theories. If any claims to know without a doubt the origin of the universe, I would dismiss them entirely. I believe we were created by a superior being. How they came about I haven't a clue. Science doesn't either, they have theories, as do I. Is that superior being God? In my mind yes. Why do I believe that? Things have happened in my life that some say are coincidences. I differ. I respect your intelligence and your reasoning, mine simply differs.

If you say so

The only real fact is that we really will never know until we die...then we may still not know I suppose.

Maybe the big bang is true. A civilization was created for billions of years suffered through all the regular troubles as we suffer through. Through evolution they became very intelligent and learned things such as cloning and how to create a place where life could flourish. They also mastered their minds and could communicate without the spoken word, simply with thought. Maybe then they came up with rules for their society that they have discovered, if followed, would prevent wars, hate and the like. Say like ten simple rules. Maybe then they created a place for their life to flourish and wanted to perform an experiment to see if this could truly work. If their life they cloned didn't know of the things that cause the wars, murder, hate etc they would simply be a peaceful life form. It failed. So they scrubbed the first attempt and decided to try again. Once that failed they figured they would have to give them those ten rules to get it back on track. It failed. So they sent one of their own to this place to show them the way. That failed also. So they decided to let it run its course for a period of time and if the life forms couldn't fix it themselves they would come back and just take back the ones that actually got it and leave the rest as they destroyed the failed project. You see, before all this, their society almost became perfect after billions of years and millions of mistakes to learn from. The leader of this perfect society was the most advanced of them all being able to create on his own. Others in the society didn't like that or his power and attempted a coup. That failed. Those that attempted the coup were banished from the perfect society. This so angered them that they set out to destroy what they knew the leader held dear....his project of creating a perfect society from scratch. Their goal is to corrupt as many of the life forms as possible to recruit them so that the perfect society could not get more lifeforms for themselves that actually understood. They are in a hurry to do this because the leader of the perfect society is getting ready to scrap the project and they need as many life forms as they can get to be with them...misery loves company after all. Hows that for a fairy tale?

Big Bang: A big ball of stuff that came from nowhere explodes for no reason and creates everything. And the idea of God is a fairy tale? Pick your fairy tale is the name of the game I suppose.

Love the pictures...hate the weed. They spread like wild fire. We spray for them a lot here

Thanks Bob. I appreciate the help!