jerryc41 wrote:
Boy, there is a lot of bad news online about EVs. Fires are a real problem because they can start spontaneously. One house was destroyed when a Mercedes burned. The car was a loaner from the dealer while her own Mercedes was being serviced. Another house was severely damaged when a Tesla burst into flames. Water is useless for putting out lithium fires. Fire departments use special blankets costing $3k - $5k to smother the fire. They then haul the car away in a procession with police and fire engines. They leave the blanket on for a day or more to keep oxygen from letting the fire restart.
Sales are tanking, with dealers having EVs sit on their lots. Charging away from home typically costs more than filling the tank with gas. When many cars are charging from the same station, the amount of charge going to each car is reduced proportionally. A reported rented an EV to do a story on it. During a long trip, she said she spent more time charging the car than sleeping. The car got more "recharging" than she did. Replacing the battery can cost more than the car - $60,000 for a $55,000 Hyundai. Car makers are starting to produce their own batteries so they won't be at the mercy of battery makers. Still, with a limited supply of lithium, prices will continue rise. Reliability is an issue because the car is basically running on software, and you know how reliable that can be. Repairs can be ridiculously expensive.
I never had any interest in buying an EV, but now I'm dead set against them. Give me gas any day. (Enter a humorous comment here.)
A friend had an EV, but he sold it and bought a pickup truck. He didn't go into details.
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Hi Jerry. Please take another look at your catalog of fears about electric cars. You have been misled by unreliable antidotal and sensational stories. Electric cars are a relatively new product, and have some challenges, but the reporting about them is often unfair and misleading.
With respect to vehicle fires: “In the United States, according to a 2023 study citing recent data from the National Transportation Safety Board and the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, gasoline-powered, internal-combustion engine (ICE) cars were involved in about 1,530 fires per every 100,000 sold. On the other hand, pure electric vehicles (meaning those powered only by batteries) were involved in just 25 fires per 100,000 sold.”
https://spectrum.ieee.org/lithium-ion-battery-fires In other words, the risk of your gas power car catching fire is about 20 times higher than an electric car. However, fires in gas cars are not newsworthy and not reported, unlike the rare fires in electric fires. Further, many fires the press reports were in electric cars turn out not be correct when examined. On the other hand, fires in electric scooters and bikes are much more common due to unsafe manufacture and charging. It is also true that lithium battery fires are difficult to extinguish.
With respect to sales, press reports that electric sales are tanking is overstated. “Global EV Sales Hit A New Record In November 2023. Plug-in electric car registrations exceeded 1.38 million, taking 19% of the global car market.” “For reference, in 2022, more than 10 million new passenger plug-in electric cars were registered globally for the very first time. This result will be significantly improved upon in 2023, to more than 13 million units.”
https://insideevs.com/news/704040/global-ev-sales-november-2023/With respect to charging costs, electric cars are far cheaper than gasoline powered cars.
https://insideevs.com/news/605644/us-ev-annual-fuel-cost-2022/ While there are certainly some teething problems with the charging network, other than the Tesla superchargers, those issues are overstated and nonexistent for the majority of electric car owners, who charge at home.
https://insideevs.com/features/698568/flo-ev-myths-debunked/With respect to reliability, that varies widely with different models, just like in gas powered cars. Tesla, for example, is more reliable than any other American car except Buick.
https://insideevs.com/news/698277/ev-reliability-2023-consumer-reports/With respect to repair costs, it is true that repair costs are about $900 more on average than for gas and diesel powered cars.
https://insideevs.com/news/692356/tesla-repairs-cost-more-than-gas-cars/. However, the few reported cases of astronomical costs of repair are not typical and again are sensational reporting rather than factual and fair. The reported $55,000 for a Hyundai battery was what one Canadian dealer said it would charge, probably because it did not want the work. This is more misleading sensational reporting.
With respect to battery life, they are usually warranted for 8 years or 100,000 miles, vastly exceeding the time and mileage usually experienced by most new car owners. With respect to battery cost replacement, the $55,000 figure quoted was what one dealer in Canada would charge on one car and is not representative. In fact, battery replacement costs between $5000 and $20,000.
https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/costs-ev-battery-replacement. While not cheap, this is somewhat comparable to replacement of the engine on a gas powered car, which car range from $4000 to more than $20,000. For example replacing an Audi A4 engine ranges from $6000 to $20,000.
https://www.jegs.com/tech-articles/rebuilding-vs-replacing-your-audi-engine-everything-you-need-to-know/I do not sell electric cars and have no financial interest in any company that makes or sells electric cars. However, I have had a BMWi3 electric car since 2015 and have had no repairs or problems with it at all. I also now have a Tesla Model 3, have had no problems, and love it. Both electric cars have saved me thousands of dollars in fuel costs over the Mercedes and Audi cars that they replaced. Plus, for me, they are simply better cars to drive.