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Sep 6, 2017 19:49:44   #
Hi Don. Since you asked....When i looked, i thought head one and head two were coming out of the same collar opening,???? i am sure that is not what you meant... Great idea. M.
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May 26, 2017 10:29:51   #
Kudos! Good job...
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Mar 21, 2017 17:45:09   #
Lots of nice action in your photo. I like it. When I do these kinds of events, I get on ground level and shoot through the fence. So, I couldn't have gotten this shot. That bull is just too close. It would be great if you could remove the fence, it might just be worth the time. You can process this as digital art, an advertisement, or photo book, etc. Or, you can just put it in your collection. I usually have some idea about how I will use a photo, and that dictates how it will be processed. As for the background, again, that depends on the purpose or use of the photo. I like the new background you used. It makes a big difference as I see it. Maybe just tweak it a little so that the figures stand out more. Maybe use something simple on the background like a change in tone, a little texture, or a little blur.
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Nov 6, 2016 17:54:42   #
St3v3M wrote:
When you present an image here you're encouraged to reply in an honest, and respectful way, and whether we agree with the assessment or not the amazing thing is that we're all trying to help. The key is to listen, evaluate, and think about what's been said, then use it to improve our work in every way we can! S-


Well, Steve, Chuck was less than respectful. I expect an apology from him about the last paragraph in his post, where he said that my photo didn't qualify as much of anything, in his "judgment."
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Nov 6, 2016 17:26:07   #
Linda From Maine wrote:
I'll do another critter and the one shot I've taken of a human in two years -lol.

1. The horse is a Norwegian Fjord and was making sure I didn't get between him and his harem I loved his powerful, intelligent look and his thick, windblown mane. I was standing in a ditch for this shot.

2. I learned from Graham Smith that my artsy angle on the short order cook is called a Dutch Tilt! I don't know if this composition would be considered a portrait.
I'll do another critter and the one shot I've take... (show quote)


Well, Linda, Chuck would not like your photo because the donkey is not looking at you, and neither is the cook. That is why Chuck said he didn't like my "Pooch Photo," as he called it, the pooch wasn't looking at me. Isn't that the craziest thing...
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Nov 6, 2016 14:31:22   #
rlaugh wrote:
TheeGambler..fine job on this portrait...a horse lover would love to hang this shot! The cute little tot on that big ol horse is a complete story!! The number and shiny helmet complete the story of a little competitor!!...reminds me of a Rockwell painting where we saw just backs of heads, or backs of heads with faces in mirror! If that was my little one out there in that arena, on that big guy, sitting there so tall on her own, would bring a tear to my eye!!...love it!


I see that you have got the REAL story! This little tot is not in school yet, and already competing with all the older kids. Her parents let her go it alone and did not accompany her in the arena. The powerful horse was extremely schooled and knew his job...but, his most important job was to take good care of his little rider. Her parents were extremely proud and I get that so much. She definitely is a competitor, hence the title!!

Thanks for your nice comment!!
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Nov 6, 2016 12:48:03   #
St3v3M wrote:
This deserves its own post! S-
- https://www.google.com/#q=The+Faceless+Portrait


Thank you, Steve!! This is a very interesting Genre of photography which I was attempting to try. This might be well-worth exploring on UHH.
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Nov 6, 2016 12:37:34   #
minniev wrote:
The tail is beautiful, elegant, and we can't help but see it first. It delivers us to the rest of the image. It is the first thing the eye goes to, and in all images, that first "hook" has a dominance that isn't undone even though we come to appreciate the other elements after we complete our journey through the frame.


My reason for asking was because you said, "the STORY was about the tail." The STORY is NOT about the horse's tail. I just couldn't understand that comment.
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Nov 6, 2016 12:10:19   #
minniev wrote:
Thanks for sharing an unusual take on a portrait! It looks like one that would be pretty cool printed on canvas. I like the concept though I do wish I could see a little more around the horse's head. The tail is the story here, and a cool leading line that thing is, too.

I appreciate your detailed discussion of the workflow, which sounds very complex. My workflow can get that way too. But I fully agree with you that our plugins are much more likely to give us the result we seek if we take the time to apply the effects we want using brushes and layers and masks rather than relying on the plugin to make all the decisions, building up effects over time.

I'll add a tip to your excellent discussion, for those who are just embarking on the journey you've already passed most of us on, "label your layers as you work". Once you return to a layered file after a short while away from it, you can get flummoxed by what you have done where. Naming those layers can help you return to a specific effect and make a change if you see something that needs adjusting.
Thanks for sharing an unusual take on a portrait! ... (show quote)


You wrote, ".....the TAIL is the story here......." Minnie, I am not sure that I understand you right! Are you saying that the photo is "about a HORSE'S TAIL?"
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Nov 6, 2016 12:02:15   #
Chuck_893 wrote:
Late to the party again as usual. The thing has gone 6 (no, 7!) pages already with some fabulous stuff. Some people think that because I shot portraits for a living I must know what I'm talking about, but the portraits I shot were almost entirely totally staged, in studio, with total control (which don't mean a thing if you ain't got that...). Thus my portraits were, bluntly, stodgy and predictable. So does that mean that I judge other people's portraits if they are not stodgy and predictable? Not on yer tintype! Portraits for me are a know-it-when-I-see-it proposition. I tend to be reeeeeaaaalllly unconventional with what I "judge" (and I hate to judge) to be a "portrait." What are my criteria? Heck, I don't know. EYES, I guess. Mostly. Eyes in a portrait are the windows to the soul, but I can see a portrait with no eyes and it's still a portrait (think Karsh's unforgettable portrait of Pablo Casals from the back).

So, late as I am, I'm just scrolling through the whole post so far and jotting notes. Here y'go:

Min, OP, went first with the Little Ninja. All other considerations aside, whether it needs cleaning up or whatever, I consider it to be a fabulous portrait! That one baleful blue eye fixed straight on me... the kid is a powerful ninja! Really! And I love that his shirt matches the color of his ninja thingy. 5 out of 5.

Frank 2013's single, wire sharp eye is, to me, also a portrait. It's true I cannot see the rest of the face, but I want to because that single eye stops me cold and makes me want to see more. The quality is superb, detail absolutely everywhere and long scale. Maybe because I cannot see the whole face I give it 4 out of 5.

Linda from Maine has a terrific new avatar (technically not an avatar as it is her really truly lovely self) and collaborated with Bob Yankle to produce a really truly portrait of Trixie. I love what they did, tremendous skill needed and so well done I would not know it was "'shopped" if I did not know, but I can only give it 3 out of 5 because of what I perceive as a lack of life in the eye. It could use a catchlight.

Thee Gambler's pooch is a portrait. If I had made it I think I'd desaturate the blue collar and tag to make them less distracting. The bright blue tends to attract my eye. She gets a 4 out of 5 because Pooch is not looking directly at the camera (yeah he's a picky SOB).

Dixigirl's pooch Bonnie gets a 5/5 from me because it made me laugh out loud. I don't even know what rules it breaks and don't care if it does or not, it's a swell portrait of a playful pal.

Treepusher got the eyes! 5/5

Cap'n Cliff gets three 5/5's. Cliff needs no advice from me! He does what I should'a done when I was in the racket. If I'd had his skill and talent I might still be at it, but...

Andrea presents two, the first absolutely a portrait and solidly well done. All attention is on GET THE EYES, the pose is good, posture is good (something I tend to look for is good posture), eyes are bright, background well blurred, color is good... 4/5
The other, as CaptC points out, is basically a very charming snapshot. The dynamics and expressions are just adorable--captivating-- two BFF's on the soccer pitch (I bet). Indeed the faces should be brighter and the background is a distraction mainly owing to it's being white. It will likely never be a portrait-portrait, but much can be fixed in post to turn it into not-a-portrait-but-more-than-a-snapshot. 3/5

Linda's portrait is a collaboration. Treepusher made it and Linda finished it. I suspect Linda likes it well enough 'cuz she's using it. I think it's a fabulous portrait-portrait, even though I see things that are unusual, starting with the low angle (I was taught to shoot from eye level or slightly above), but there is not a thing wrong with unusual, and it's a terrific portrait, well finished. 5/5

Alissa, I personally award 5/5 for the whole set and there y'are. This lad has kind eyes. Some might carp on the busy shirt, but I won't. Sure, a solid blue might be better, but put it this way: my eye goes first to those gentle eyes. The one thing I might carp on is the (is that a) fence in the background. It is so soft I can't tell what it is so I wonder, plus it has some bright stuff that may lead the eye out of frame to the right. If I had made it I think I would probably brush down those slightly brighter spots on the post and rail. Nevertheless, 5/5

RLaugh, I award an overall 4/5 for all three. To me Milo looks a little overprocessed, but that's me, and I tend to blow either way depending. The one thing that maybe bothers me is the green erosion fence (?) behind him, but I know from long personal experience that ya can't always control the background. I think the only reason I'm a little bugged by it is that I think I shouldn't have noticed it. Your 3rd shot, the profile portrait, I personally give 5/5 for unusually terrific, very strong, well lit including a faint rimlight on the back of his head to separate him from the background. AND ya can't see his eye so there y'go.

Minnie returns to present two "street" portraits. We've seen numerous discussions, some a little heated, on what constitutes "street," "portrait," "street portrait," and the fluctuating cost of tea in China. My opinion, worth exactly what you pay for it, is that these are street (or at least fair) portraits and so there. And they each get 5/5.

Anvil also presents two candids that may or may not be portraits by definition (I tend to separate portrait-portraits from something identified as street from something else identified as Candid, and in my heyday I shot bazillions of candids--still do. So what is a candid? I-know-it-when-I-see-it. These are candid portraits, both gorgeous, and 5/5

Linda returns with a stunning portrait of Trixie with her red blankie and deeply soulful eyes. Don't care about not no processing "errors" (can't see 'em anyway): 5/5

Dave Chinn presents two versions of a street portrait, either and each deserving of a 5/5. I like them both equally for different reasons since they are waaaaay different from each other, but both are solid and compelling.

Neil has made what I consider to be a near-perfect candid portrait with a grab shot with a camera on a tabletop on the crowded patio of a busy restaurant. Later he shows us a more finished version (very nice), along with the unbelievably cluttered original, showing how he extracted a diamond from the considerable rough. I like the first version fine, warts and all. 5/5

R G shows us a grab candid made with a cheap compact which flash fired and lit up the reflective striping on a man's safety jacket. I suppose it's arguable that it's a dreadful picture, but like virtually all discernible pictures it captures a tiny slice of time, a memory of a pleasant looking man at work. Quality, 2/5. Value, priceless.

Andrea returns with a portrait of her daughter in her bright, sparkly going-to-a-dance outfit (social dancing? or recital). Technically lots'a flaws, but do the flaws ruin it? NO! To me, one of the most important things about a portrait is whether it seems to capture the essence of the person; this captures Sydney's sparkly essence! The light is uneven and Andrea has a problem with the background (I don't know if you can work in layers but I'd try lifting her off the background and either replacing it or applying Gaussian blur to it). Quality, 3/5. Vibrance and expression, 5/5

Anvil submits a fabulous portrait of a bull elk. My eye goes to and stays on the magnificent animal. All the background is just background (and foreground), soft and just--there, not intrusive in any way. 5/5

Linda counterpunches with a bighorn sheep calmly munching on grass. The shot almost has motion (I can see the jaw working and the grass jumping). Beautifully lit, focus on the eyes (GET THE EYES), no distractions, 5/5

TheeGambler presents the one picture so far that, I'm afraid, fails to enthuse me. I see where you were going with it (you explained it very well), but try as I might I can't classify it as a portrait. I cannot see the faces of either rider or horse. My "classification 'system'" is pretty loose, so it may qualify as a candid, but honestly, had you presented this single picture as a thread I'd most likely have bypassed it without comment. 3/5

So now it's 7 pages and I will shut up now!
Late to the party again as usual. The thing has go... (show quote)


I think you are kind of behind the times, there, Chuck! Or you were never aware of, "The Faceless Portrait."
There is an entire Genre of faceless portrait photogs. It is more of a sophisticated concept of photography and many are unable to grasp it.

Faceless portraits have been around for almost as long as there have been, drawings and paintings. And, as someone that previously stated that he is NOT qualified to "judge," you have certainly taken on each photo. It is almost like you are reinforcing someone else's comment, when it comes to the Portrait I submitted, but I am sure you wouldn't do that. You stated that your "judging" depends on whether a photo, "makes you laugh" no matter what rules it breaks, it gets a 5/5. I guess that is a real measure of your judging. {Sorry Dixie, to use your photo as an example) Below is a
preview of a National Geographic, February, 2015, article on Faceless Portraits. This is the first quick example I saw when goggled. yourshot.national geographic.com/assignments/faceless-portraits.


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Nov 6, 2016 10:34:57   #
Linda From Maine wrote:
Fascinating and unique, definitely dramatic!

I must confess to wishing I could see a bit of the horse's head, but I respect your artistry very much.


Hi Linda, I see that you came back and added the part, that you wanted to see more of the horse head. I guess you missed the idea of what this photo is about. It is not about the horse head. Even so, you can see an ear and a little part of the jaw and we know the head is really there. Ha!!
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Nov 6, 2016 10:00:07   #
I think this should qualify as a Portrait. At least that is what I intended it to be, something a little different than the usual thing done. I am not sure exactly what makes the difference between a Portrait and a candid shot of someone at a restaurant, horse show, or on the street. Is it the processing, the cropping, the perspective? Processing dictates how we see a photo and what we see in it. It is all important to how we "feel" (there is that word again) and what the photog is trying to convey to the viewer.

In this Portrait, I used an inside shot taken as the little girl rode up to the judge to receive her ribbon. The background in arena shots are never really useable for this kind of thing. So, that was the first thing I had to change. Since I was going for something more elegant, (like to hang over the fireplace) and different, everything pretty much had to go. I just cloned out the background. That is just as easy or easier that using the selection tool, for me. I always have to go back around after the selection tool, anyway, so why do it twice. I did salvaged the mulch in the arena to reinforce the idea that this was an event, along with the competitor number on her back. I thought about removing that number but then the authenticity would be gone. Everyone knows that competitors wear their numbers when in the arena. The idea was...this is a competitive event...in an arena, and I wanted to keep it real. So, the first thing I used was to clone out the background. I then used a slight cruise through Textures. The amount of texture was as minimal as I could get. Then, I went to Glow. There again, it was used as little as possible to get the desired effect. I mulled over the idea of the lights reflected in her helmet, to keep them as they were or to minimize them. When I take a photo, I like to keep the original look as much as possible while creating the effect that I desire. (Though sometimes I do go overboard being caught-up in processing.) When I was satisfied, I finished up with Adjust for the frame. I ended with a trip to NIK. This processing was pretty straight forward. I thought this was something to show that was easily done, while still creating a dramatic mood. I needed no layer masks for this one, but I do use them frequently.

I think, after all that being said, the most important thing, and what gives you your "brand," is the "work by hand." I don't think that it is just running a photo through the programs. I am not talking about "touchups" after the fact. I am talking about significant work to build upon what the programs can do. Purchased programs are fine and they help a lot in creations, but I never stop there. Hope you guys and gals enjoy this one.

The Competitor

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Nov 4, 2016 17:12:40   #
minniev wrote:
This is beautiful. Yes, the eyes have it and you got them sharp and glistening before you created the artwork of fur. I hope you're gonna tell us a little more about your processing. Thank you so much for sharing!


"....before you created the artwork of fur."

Sorry, no processing but a little hand work, mostly on the ear. The black in his coat was so black, it had little highlights, in some places, and looked flat. And, this was taken under "arena lights," which at best is a problem. Other than the spots that lacked highlights, I really liked the imagine. As mentioned above, the eyes are priority..and first consideration for me in a portrait.. At least I didn't have to process the entire photo. I would have lost all the good things about it, most likely.
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Nov 4, 2016 15:16:36   #
So, it looks like a pretty high bar has been set, already!
I took this at a show this Spring and thought this guy had some soulful eyes.


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Nov 4, 2016 09:36:40   #
Great shot!! Plus, the fly-guy didn't have to leave a "tip!" TG
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