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Jan 7, 2023 21:28:18   #
Yesterday, I sent this from my cell phone during a long layover at Amsterdam airport:

"Landscape. First, level the image. Crop it on the left--this will put the focus on the curvature of the road. Also crop it on top--you know, the two-thirds thing--and maybe the bottom a little too."

I am attaching a version of what I had in mind.


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Jan 7, 2023 02:49:59   #
Landscape. First, level the image. Crop it on the left--this will put the focus on the curvature of the road. Also crop it on top--you know, the two this thing--and maybe the bottom a little too.
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Dec 31, 2022 14:19:37   #
imagemeister wrote:
A couple things are missing from this discussion .....Number one, is Tamron ALSO makes a 35-150 f2.8 -4 for much less money ! ....the f2-2.8 version is very much a niche lens - as mentioned, for indoor sports/event shooters. If you are outside, the need for f2-2.8 is very questionable. Number two, is Sigma also makes a very good 24-105 Art lens.
As for me, the practicality of a 24-105 would win me over ( I have the Sigma 24-105 Art in A-mount.) - but I have considered and looked at both Tamron versions for my Canon.
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Correction: if Tamron makes a 35-150mm f/2.8-f/4, it certainly is not for the Sony FE mount. In fact, I have not found such a lens. Second, there is a Sigma 24-105mm art lens for Nikon and Canon, but not for the Sony FE mount. Sigma only makes a 24-70mm lens for Sony FE.
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Dec 31, 2022 09:35:45   #
billnikon wrote:
It appears you have already made up your mind because of your quote, "finances are a consideration". So I feel you have already made up your mind to get the Tamron.
When I shot Nikon I had a Nikon 24-120 which served me well as a sort of carry "one lens on vacation" mantra.
So when I got my Sony a9 I got the Sony 24-105 on sale from B&H for around $1100. I took it with me on travels to the Panama Canal and to the National Parks in Utah this year. I always use a polarizer for most of my shots.
The f4 was not a problem with todays high iso shooting capabilities. I also have always liked what 24mm does in landscapes.
I have never used the Tamron and cannot comment on it.
However, on B&H 82% of users of the Sony give it a 5, 69% of the users of the Tamron give it a 5.
Of course users ratings should NOT be taken into consideration because what do these people really know about photography, it is just their opinion.
The Sony weights in at 1.46 lbs. the Tamron 1.74 lbs. Again, what does the weight have to do with anything.
Bottom line, the Sony when on sale costs about $1100 compared to the very low price of the Tamron of $639.00. A difference of almost $460.00, and $660.00 when the Sony is not on sale. 50% savings for the Tamron.
So, for me, I would buy the Sony cause it was developed and made specifically for my Sony.
The Tamron company makes their glass to operate on many different camera's.
And yes, the IBIS on the Sony camera's works well with the image stabilization on the lens.
But, because the Tamron is cheaper, I would just like to say, enjoy your new Tamron lens.
Below are some grab shots I took with my Sony, not that it means anything.
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I think that you are talking about a different Tamron lens. The Tamron under discussion here (Tamron 35-150mm f2-2.8) costs $1,899 and weighs over 2.5 pounds (41.1 oz / 1,165g). 38 out of 42 reviewers at B&H rate it as a 5. Its reviews are very good--as they are for the Sony 24-105mm. While Tamron indeed makes lenses for different brands, this particular lens was developed for the Sony FE system.
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Dec 31, 2022 07:00:57   #
gwilliams6 wrote:
The Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS lens is the #1 selling Sony lens in the world, and for good reasons . I have owned Sony A6500, A7RII, A7RIII, A7III, A9 and currently own A7RIV, A1, A7SIII. I currently have 13 native E-mount lenses covering 10mm to 600mm from Sony, Sigma and Tamron. That includes fast primes like my Sony 24mm f1.4 GM, and my Sony 135mm f1.8 GM, along with several f 2.8 zooms and a f2.8 macro lens.

I shoot all subjects worldwide as a longtime pro, and my Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS is my most widely used lens of them all. It is super versatile, sharp, fast and quiet focus, and yes that lens' OSS coupled with the cameras' IBIS does allow me to handhold that lens at insanely slow shutter speeds.

That being said, many who have that Tamron 35-150mm f2-2.8 love it for events , wedding coverage and more. As a pro photojournalist for the past 48 + years, I would have loved to have such a lens back in the day.

You will have to live with the size and weight of the Tamron, but if you have the Sony 200-600mm like I do, you are used to heavier lenses.

For me, not having any lens wider than 35mm would give me pause. If you do choose to get the Tamron 35-105mm f2-2.8, I suggest you add the Tamron 17-28mm f2.8 in native E-mount.

Since I have the Tamron 17-28mm f2.8; Sigma Art 24-70mm f2.8 DG DN; Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS; Sigma Art 85mm f1.4 DG DN and Sony 135mm f1.8 GM among the lenses in my kit, I dont really have the need for the Tamron 35-150mm lens. For you that lens might be an excellent choice.

Here just a few shots i have made with my Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS lens;

1) This award winning shot was made with my A9 and the Sony 24-105mm lens. A local swimmer dives off a pier into the Caribbean Sea on the Island of Sint Maarten/St. Martin. 24mm, ISO 400, f5.6, 1/2000 sec.

2) This shot was named a Worldwide Photo of the Week by Sony Alpha Photographers in 2020. Environmental Scientist Brook H. in a slot canyon near Upper Antelope Canyon, Navajo Lands, Page, Arizona, USA. Sony A9, Sony 24-105mm lens, 24mm, ISO 400, f4, 1/15 sec handheld, all natural sunlight in the canyon.

3) A Parrot in flight on the Caribbean island of Sint Maarten/St. Martin. Sony A1, Sony 24-105mm lens. 105mm, ISO 1600, f4, 1/2000 sec, all natural light

4-5) Two shots of my nephew and his family for their Xmas card, shot In Flower Mound, Texas a couple of weeks ago. Sony A1, Sony 24-105mm f4 G OSS lens. Shot at various focal lengths, f5.6, 1/250 second, handheld .Three Godox AD200Pro strobes with reflectors and diffusers used to light it all, mixed with the ambient light.
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Gerald's assessment is spot-on.

I have used the Sony 24-105mm for almost five years. This is a superb and very versatile lens--it still is the best all-purpose zoom for Sony FE. It also is the best travel lens. I shoot with Sony A7III and A7RIII bodies. I own many great primes, yet the Sony 24-105mm invariably makes it into my photo bag.

The Tamron 35-150mm has an odd focal range--it is most useful for event photographers.

I do mostly travel photography, and the Sony 24-105mm is always in my travel bag. There are three reasons why I prefer the Sony 24-105mm.
1) The Tamron 35-150mm is very large and heavy--it weighs 1,165g as opposed to the the 663g of the Sony. The difference is 500g or a little over a pound in the imperial system. Carry that all day long! For that reason alone, I would never use the Tamron as a travel lens.
2) The Sony is image-stabilized, the Tamron is not. This gives you more options in poor light.
3) The focal range: 35mm is not wide enough to make the Tamron a useful general-purpose lens. You need to take a second lens to cover the wider end. 24mm at the wide end works for me. For this reason, the Sony is a useful, even great landscape lens, while the Tamron is not.

Yes, the Sony 24-105mm is an f/4 lens. However, it is very sharp right at f/4, so the entire range is useful. I have taken many shots at night or in dark churches and always came away with great shots. I shoot at ISO 6400 with my A7III without thinking twice about noise, and because of the combined camera and lens image stabilization I can shoot to about 1/15th of a second hand-held, as long there is no motion in the image.

At the long end, the difference between 105mm and 150mm is not nearly as significant as the difference between 24mm and 35mm. I also use Clear Image Zoom to extend the reach of the Sony. This gives you up to 2x magnification if you need it. (Focusing is limited to zone, and you only can shoot JPEGs.)

Flower shots: try shooting flowers at the long end at 105mm. The Sony has a respectable minimum focus distance of 38cm, which gives you great detail at 105mm. (The Tamron is a tad better at 33cm.) In fact, I often use my Sony 100-400mm lens for flowers, often at 400mm, with great results.
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Dec 22, 2022 00:40:23   #
It ended at midnight on December 21--40 minutes ago. For those who missed it: it was the version for Canon EF, their SLR and DSLR mount. It still is discounted, but not as much.
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Dec 20, 2022 09:31:04   #
OldIkon wrote:
One other aspect of an electronic viewfinder - or optical SLR viewfinder for that matter - is that prior to image stabilization it was an essential point for stabilizing the camera and reducing motion blur. One thing I have noticed with the conversion to digital photography - besides seeing many more women than men using DSLRs - is a loss of proper handholding technique. I have a niece who recently finished a college photography class and I still had to show her the "correct" (old school) method of holding her camera. She has thanked me for that advice, since it has improved the number of her acceptable shots.
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So what is the correct way to hold a camera? Holding it down so you can look through it from the top, like my father's Rolleiflex? This is how I learned. With my mirrorless camera (MILC), I shoot one-handed, with a beer in the other hand. Now that is superior technique. Is it effeminate because the manly man likes to carry DSLR bricks through the landscape?

This is another example of needlessly confusing issues. Image stabilization has nothing to to with optical or electronic viewfinders. Nothing. Image stabilization (VR, IS, OSS) has been around since the mid-90s, long before the advent of digital photography. Viewfinders have been around much longer, and they are alive and well today, certainly in MILCs. My trusty Cosina Hi-Lite SLR from around 1970 had a viewfinder, and so do my current Sony mirrorless bodies--the former optical, the latter digital.
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Dec 18, 2022 08:46:58   #
Don't book your flight on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner--their windows have a tinting technology that blocks 99% of the light and that is controlled centrally. You still can see during takeoff and landing, but the windows are darkened in flight.
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Dec 18, 2022 04:30:19   #
profbowman wrote:
First of all, I think you are really asking two questions.

The Electronic View Finder is not the LCD Screen on the back of the camera. The EVF is truly in the location where the optical viewfinder used to be--a small screen in the upper left corner of the back. [See the attached photo.] The internal computer takes a sampling of the actual pixel reads from the sensor and puts them in a jpeg form on the screen that is one-half inch or slightly more in diagonal measure.

On the other hand, the LCD display is the large screen on the back of the camera that may or may not pivot out of the plane of the back of the camera. It is usually in the vicinity off two inches in diagonal measure.

Now to give some responses to your questions. First, I like the EVF because, like the viewfinder in older SLR cameras. it displays what the lens actually sees and not some slightly off-axis picture that rangefinder cameras used to show.

I do agree that LCD screens often show very dim images when one is using a digital camera in bright sunlight. These have gotten better over the years, however, outdoors a photographer probably will want to depend upon the EVF. When one is in a setting where the LCD screen can be used, I like to do so because it frees me and my eyes up to look at the full scene of the picture I am framing instead of the truncated version seen through the viewfinder. So, I can see what my framing will leave out that I wish were in. Then only at the last minute do I have to fully concentrate on the LCD screen.

Just some of my thoughts on your questions. --Richard
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I completely agree. Folks seem to confuse the electronic viewfinder (EVF) with the LCD screen. In the "good old days" of film and DSLRs, the viewfinder would produce an optical image. In mirrorless cameras (MILC), the viewfinder produces a digital image that is read out by the sensor, which in many ways is more accurate. Quality MILCs of all brands have an EVF in addition to the LCD screen, so I do not see a problem here.

Many point-and-shoot cameras and all cell phones do not have an EVF so photographers have to rely on the LCD screen. As some pointed out, me including, this makes it hard to take pictures in bright daylight. If that is an issue for you, don't buy a camera without an EVF.

The title of this thread therefore is misleading. The viewfinder is very much alive. It is the optical part that is dead.
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Dec 13, 2022 18:58:48   #
As a travel photographer, I am very excited about this new Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G lens. I have been using the superb Sony 24-105mm f/4 for almost five years. While this is a great lens, I often wished that it could be a little wider, so I always carry the Zeiss Batis 18mm for when I need a wider lens. This new lens could become the first one-and-done travel lens. The fact that this will be a constant f/4 lens makes me believe that it will have a small form factor, another bonus for travel photographers.
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Dec 12, 2022 23:03:24   #
User ID wrote:
The first rule of bokeh is that we nevvvvvvuh talk about bokeh.


You just broke your first rule.
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Dec 12, 2022 22:57:20   #
My personal favorite for street photography is the Sony Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 ZA. It is tiny (120g) but very sharp. It has great colors, and the AF works well. You don't need a fast lens for street as a shallow depth of field really works against you here. I just love this little lens--it is perfect for street and travel.

I also own the Sony FE 28mm f/2 (I do not think that there is a 28mm f/1.8). It is a good lens but can be a tad soft wide open. In my opinion, it is not quite as good as the 35mm f/2.8 or the Sony FE 35mm f/1.8. Having said that, I think that 28mm is a good focal length if you are only going to have one lens.

The Sony 24mm f/1.8 you mention is an APS-C lens so I would not recommend it for your A7C. You may want to look at the Sony FE 24mm f/2.8 G lens instead. It is very small and got good reviews--I personally have no experience with it. This lens was specifically designed for the A7C.
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Dec 11, 2022 06:44:24   #
Orphoto wrote:
Results will vary by model.

Within any given focal range you will need to do your research rather than ask a hopelessly broad question.


I agree. You get very different third-party lens lineups depending on mount and format (APS-C vs. full frame). To compare across mounts and formats is meaningless.
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Dec 9, 2022 06:18:50   #
The Embraer RJ145 generally has three seats across (2+1) in economy. There generally are overhead bins, but they are smaller than in a standard jet. (Different airlines may have different bins.) Standard-size hand luggage will not fit and will be stowed underneath--you drop it off on the jet bridge when you depart and pick it up on the jet bridge when you arrive (or on the tarmac if there is no jet bridge). However, the overhead compartment should be large enough for your lens. So I would carry the lens in its own separate pouch and take it into the cabin. In case it does not fit ask a flight attendant for assistance; they usually will find a space where it can be stowed safely.
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Dec 6, 2022 11:35:42   #
mwsilvers wrote:
What camera and which lens.


Very relevant question. There is no good answer without knowing what camera OP is using. Modern mirrorless cameras create usable images at ISO 6400 and higher; for DSLRs the threshold is lower. Full-frame cameras do better than APS-C cameras. Cameras with lower pixel counts generally have better low-light properties. Is the camera image-stabilized? The lens? And so on. Generally, 1/4 of a second invites lots of motion blur, regardless of equipment.
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