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Jul 2, 2017 11:45:34   #
CHOLLY wrote:
^^^EXCELLENT post.

Thing is, with those Sony cameras you mentioned, Canon users can utilize their existing glass.


With an adapter. Hardly the same as native.
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Jul 2, 2017 09:46:56   #
CHOLLY wrote:
Thing is, the Pentax K-1 cost's less and offers more. And let's not even talk about entry level Sony or Nikon Full Frame cameras which also out spec the 6DII and cost less, all with excellent workmanship and warranties to back them up too.

So WHY should we be satisfied?

Most of us buy what we want to use. People who like DSLRs and own Canon glass will usually prefer a Canon DSLR over a Sony mirrorless with an adapter tacked on.

Who will buy the 6D2? Canon owners who want a solid FF body and can't afford, can't justify or just don't need a 5D4. I imagine the original 6D will remain in the lineup too, and will remain popular (it is still an outstanding camera even in 2017).
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Jul 2, 2017 09:42:34   #
BebuLamar wrote:
I am happy with my camera
- 5.5fps
- 39 point AF
- 16MP
- No 4K, no 1080p, no video period.
- Price at B&H is $2746.00

For you it's junk but for me it's a great camera. Why do you ask if you don't care?


I'm very happy with my Nikon Df as well, and I happen to think the old Canon 6D is still one of the best DSLRs on the market.
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Jul 1, 2017 04:49:16   #
whwiden wrote:
I am sitting in the SAA lounge in Johannesburg with 10 rolls of Pan F. Security did a hand check on my international transfer. Very nice but your mileage may very.

On filters. Yellow-green very nice but I have read that may be an artifact of older film emulsions. Yellow may do the same thing now for sky--but seems a tad better for foliage. Orange is great for blue sky. Red is hit or miss. A regular green filter can be useful. With a Monochrome you could probably use an orange all the time.
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I use an orange most of the time, a yellow indoors and nothing at all in very dim light.

Outdoors in bright sun I often have to stack orange and 3 stop ND when using fast lenses and wide apertures.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:52:55   #
Here is where the money goes.

https://fstoppers.com/bts/how-its-made-10000-leica-noctilux-50mm-f095-107774
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Jun 30, 2017 17:41:26   #
CO wrote:
UHH members have given great answers. There is one other thing I know of that can affect price. Most lenses now have aspherical lens elements. Hybrid aspherical lens elements are often used in kit lenses to reduce price. Those consist of a piece of plastic that is cemented on a spherical glass element to create the aspherical shape. A step up from that is the molded aspherical glass element. A heated piece of glass is pressed into a mold. The best is the precision ground aspherical element. I'm not sure who is producing those. I think they are prohibitively expensive.
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Leica and Zeiss still do.
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Jun 30, 2017 15:28:06   #
bylinecl wrote:
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Pan F's a wonderful film, so that's encouraging news, and thanks. I'll give it a try this weekend.


Enjoy!
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Jun 30, 2017 14:55:52   #
bylinecl wrote:
Do you find that the orange filter has the same effect as a red filter does on film such as Tri-X?

Nope. Color filters do EXACTLY the same thing on a digital monochrome sensor as they do in film. I use orange and yellow with film to the same effect.

I find the M Monochrom (CCD) most like Pan F in its tone. The M246 is a bit edgier, but I haven't used it enough (I haven't bought one yet) to really get to know it.
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Jun 30, 2017 06:42:35   #
rpavich wrote:
If I ever shot digital, this would be the camera I'd buy. I love the concept. When I started shooting film I was hesitant that I'd "lose" shots but after a short while I found that it's liberating; as you said, I don't worry about the last shot, I don't take my mind off of the subject or be "out of the moment" because I'm searching through menus or looking at LCD's...I'm always looking at the current/next shot and "in the moment" with a film camera (and this camera too if I had one)
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It didn't fly off the shelves, mostly because it was just as thick as the M 240 and used essentially the same (2012) sensor. Personally I don't care much about spec charts and since my first Leica was digital (M Monochrom version 1) the size doesn't bother me at all. I think that sensor technology in 2012 was more than good enough, so even wth the new M10 released the same week, I bought the M-D (very gently used at a nice discount).

I've enjoyed the M-D so much that I started shooting a lot more film than I used to (I never really stopped shooting film) and for the first time in 20 years am shooting color in addition to black and white film.
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Jun 30, 2017 05:33:58   #
bylinecl wrote:
Have had for years both a red and a green filter that fits my 50mm Summicron. Recommend anything else? Any experience/suggestions on using a red on a Monochrome?


I often use yellow and orange.
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Jun 29, 2017 17:02:49   #
zumarose wrote:
The DF is definitely droolworthy. Very tempted by it. Thanks for the heads up.


I believe B&H has refurbished Df bodies for around $1800 and body+50/1.8 lens kits for about $2000.

The Df is an outstanding camera, likely to be replaced soon, which makes such good refurb prices possible.
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Jun 29, 2017 13:14:46   #
therwol wrote:
I disagree somewhat. The "best available" always commands a premium price, and in this day and age, it will become obsolete much faster than in the past. Try to use a 10 year old "top of the line" computer for anything. Chances are it cost thousands when new, and within 2-3 years, the mainstream computers bettered it in performance. This has been a never ending cycle forever with these things. It's the same thing with cameras. There were 6 megapixel cameras at one time that cost thousands of dollars. The advances in sensors and other features have been so great since then that you're missing a lot of you're still using one of those.

I say buy something that you can afford that gives good performance first and once you learn photography and what your needs are, then look at how far up the price ladder you're willing to go.
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12-years-ago the Canon 5D was a high-end expensive camera. Guess what, it still takes pictures with far higher quality than most of us need.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:58:27   #
The 1.8 is more modern and probably sharper. The older 1.8D is dirt cheap (brand new about $100) and optically fantastic. For about 16 times more, the 58/1.4G is magnificent for people.
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Jun 29, 2017 07:51:59   #
whwiden wrote:
Wow! Ok.


Thats the whole point of the M-D, to be just like shooting film. I can't check my images until I get home and load them onto my computer, just like with film you can't check until its developed. Definitely not for everyone, but I like the freedom to just focus on what I'm doing instead of what is already done.

I was very nervous about it at first, and actually borrowed the camera for a weekend workshop before I bought it. When the workshop was over and I found that I took fewer, but better pictures without many exposure or focus problems I was sold.

I've had the M-D for about 8 months now and can only think of two or three times I'd wished for an LCD, and despite not having one the pictures came out great anyway.
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Jun 29, 2017 07:39:26   #
whwiden wrote:
Yes. I understood the rangefinder window but no accessory viewfinder that fits on top like one can do on the M240.


Nope.
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