Dngallagher wrote:
I did read it, but again, this is an article that was written back in May of 2013, BEFORE the $10.00 a month photography plan even existed as a permanent plan.
Good point. I should have noticed this.
Questions:
1- did they have to lower the price for this CC to work?
2- How fast will the price increase to where they want it?
bcheary wrote:
Legal immigrants is one thing, illegals another.
Agreed, I am talking about legal immigrants; illegals are just criminals.
TheDman wrote:
This is a guy who's telling us to improve our info. ;)
Having checked again, I selected the $10/ month plan and it does cover Photoshop and Lightroom as you all have been saying -- Why have those two seemingly contrary options on their website??
In any case, after more reading, it appears that Adobe had to lower its price as such to get this plan going. Hope the subscription price does not go up too fast for you guys.
Source of my original info:
This is right off Adobes website:
https://creative.adobe.com/plans?sdid=KKQYD&kw=semoverview&skwcid=AL!3085!3!53305082800!b!!g!!adobe%20cheap&ef_id=Uh9WeQAABLZC7UmO:20140822163914:s
Single App
US$29.99/mo
Select Photoshop and Monthly Plan
dcampbell52 wrote:
Three things...
1. You're not a victim if you know and understand the "contract" before you sign or join.
2. As a professional photographer, the ENTIRE cost of subscription is a business expense. Software has to be capitalized and is a prorated deduction.
3. If you want to purchase the entire suite or piecemeal, and you plan to upgrade in the next few years, the "rental" plan still works. If you buy and then upgrade your cameras (which do have to be prorated as assets of the company) then the price of the software is a losing proposition. $3500 divided by 24 months is $146 per month, you can rent all of the same programs for $50 per month. If you take the same $3500 and divide it by the $50 per month it would take 70 months to pay for it. Standard Photoshop retails at $695 Lightroom retails at about $110. If you had both, it would take 81 months at $10 per month to pay for them. And, at some point in there, the software is going to be upgraded and you're stuck with the old version.
Lets see, Tax deductible for a business, only 10 per month for Lightroom and Photoshop vs $805 for the disks and no updates.
If you want to throw your money in the toilet so that you can say you have the disks stored somewhere and you "own" the software (which you don't, its only licensed, which is why the petition may make good noise but will not work). Why not sue Adobe.. no wait.. they own the software and are only letting you use it for $3500. So, you can't sue them for changing the process. It is like leasing a car for $36000 and being upset when the lease is up and the car manufacturer wants $40,000 for the new version. You either pay it or pay someone else. In Adobe's position, I guess you could go to Corel or what ever, but Adobe is the recognized standard for printing / image software.
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First know that I meant no personal insult by using the term victim. It is simply how I perceive the situation since you really have no choice in the matter. I am happy it works for you and I do appreciate you trying to help me understand your opinion; unfortunately, you did not convince me.
To your points:
1- Its either sign on or you cannot use our software that is what makes you a victim of upgrade at gun point. This is true whether or not you think you understand the contract.
2- In a business, the ENTIRE cost of the boxed software is also deductible so whats you point?
3- The cost of the monthly use of Photoshop is $30/ month. After two years, that will cost me $720 vs the $695 you quote for the boxed version. While the cost of this cloud rental is already higher, I do believe that this cost differential will quickly increase. Obviously, if I held the boxed version for three years I would be saving $385 by using the boxed version, IF the clouds rental cost did not change, which is highly unlikely. Yes, I would be missing the upgrades, but they are usually of dubious value anyway especially to us non-professionals.
Your comments in the later paragraphs of your post are more emotion than reason so I will ignore them. (Again, this is not meant as an insult; it is how I perceive it.) Good luck.
rmalarz wrote:
Why anyone would think this concept is the greatest thing since sliced bread is beyond me.
As far as whether it works or not, without problems, is not an issue with me, or anyone else who doesn't like it. There are other subtle issues that irritate me, as well as others.
An article for your perusal.
http://www.wired.com/2013/05/adobe-creative-cloud-petition/
--Bob
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Good article. I love the line: upgrade at gun point
-- exactly what it is. Some people just love to be victims.
bcheary wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/LPjzfGChGlE
A different perspective. Quite interesting.
It is interesting to think that we allow immigration for the sake of helping the immigrants. Isn't the real reason for immigration to provide our businesses with a continual source of relatively inexpensive labor? (A rhetorical question; I state the obvious.)
Brucej67 wrote:
I have the D810 and D4 (as well as other Nikons) and from my opinion the D810 is supper fast in auto focusing. My question to you is will the D4S be worth the extra $3,300?
Very glad that you confirm the D810 is fast at auto focus. My disappointment with the D800 was its slower than expected (IMHO) auto focus. That is why I am now waiting for my D810 to arrive. Thanks for your input.
DHunter wrote:
I could not get the shutter release to work on the grip.
Called Nikon and they told me to hold down QUAL and exposure compensation at the same time until the top display went off and came back on.
It worked, for a little while.
(did not see this in the book)
It would also not show both battery's status unless I jiggled the battery tray locking mechanism. Then it would only momentarily come on.
I had another one of those grips and it does the same thing, on my D810.
Went back to the store and tried the grips on a D800 and it worked without changing anything.
Looks like the D810 has issues or maybe just mine.
I get a replacement as soon as they get some. Baaaaa
Maybe the re-set trick will help some people.
Let me know if anyone is using this combo without issues.
I paid out the big bucks for the Nikon brand and this is what I'm dealing with. grrrrr
It does shoot fine pictures without the grip shutter release.
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Sorry to hear about your problem. That is a real bummer on a new camera. I should get my D810 in about a week and do not use a grip -- now I wonder if I should just try it with a grip in the store to make sure all is well. It sounds like a continuing quality control issue at Nikon.
Hope all works out for you with the least of trouble.
kymarto wrote:
I have a D800E, and tried out a D810 in a shop in Tokyo. No time for comparison shots, but the feeling is...refined...
The shutter is much quieter and feels smoother than on the 800. The rear screen is great--noticeably sharper. I didn't have my viewing hood with me, but I can imagine it will make manual focusing of video much easier. And for video there are definite improvements both in quality and implementation (60p, zebras, power aperture while filming, simultaneous output of uncompressed HDMI while recording to card).
I saw a comparison showing reduced chroma noise above ISO 6400--something like 1/2 EV.
Appears to me a worthy upgrade.
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Thanks for this update -- very interesting. Based on what I have read, the D810 sounds great.
Rongnongno wrote:
Right but that is just an incremental progress that does not justifies the cost.
The only folks that consider upgrading are using the video option. For that, I have no idea as I do not use it.
Still photography? Quiet shutter? Not an issue, faster frame rate? Not an issue - How many really use burst mode? AF? not an issue. Better metering? I use full manual so...
Had the camera improved on the dynamic range, raised the pixel numbers I would have considered it.
As is? Thank you, I keep my D800e.
The D810 is a great upgrade for anyone stepping up from almost all other models, including full frame. For someone who has one of D800 versions? That is greatly debatable.
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I am a still shooter and the improved AF is a
BIG issue!
blackest wrote:
You managed to be rude ignorant and insulting in your last post, being ignorant is one thing , sometimes we are misinformed and that is easy to correct but being rude and insulting is another. A civilized individual should know it is unacceptable to insult a mans wife. I really don't know if decorum and manners can be instilled in a mature adult, however I wish you well in your endeavors to overcome your handicap.
You took this off topic, so I will end it here -- however your unfounded accusations must be addressed:
Read again -- I never insulted the man's wife, but I did return his insult by comparing him to his wife's ex-- which is exactly what he did when he implied that I was the one with those characteristics, in his previous post. That tit-for-tat was childish of me but nothing more. I learned my lesson; I will not lower myself to his or your standards any longer.
As far as the topic goes, you apparently confused the cloud with
cloud computing -- just as your friend did. The Internet is and always has been represented by a cloud -- it is the cloud. The trend that the OP was talking about refers to Adobe and other companies using the Internet, or cloud, to be a part of your computing experience, whether it is using your computer for photographic manipulations or creating a Word document. In that way, these companies can make more money by removing your choice to upgrade or not. Many people do not feel it necessary to upgrade every time a "new" version is published and, as such, those companies loss that revenue and customers save money -- they only upgrade when they feel it is required, not when the company wants more revenue. Think of all the people who "upgraded" to Vista and were very sorry they wasted their money.
ps: no need to respond -- I will not waste my time even reading your nonsense.
Peterff wrote:
Sir, perhaps you are being a little too judgmental here, since you are also being incorrect in some of your points.
The "cloud" and "the internet" are not the exact same thing, they are clearly related, but synonymous, actually, no.
Once again, can we perhaps pull back a little from some of these overly zealous approaches since they are seldom helpful...
My wife described her ex as someone who was "frequently wrong, but seldom in doubt!"
That description is applicable to many contributors to this forum, and especially to this particular thread.
Please think before you step into the saddles of your high horses...
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You should take your own advice. The cloud IS the Internet, pure and simple.
Please read a book or two on the subject -- then talk.
Your wife seems to like that type of person == "frequently wrong, but seldom in doubt!" -- -she married you!
anotherview wrote:
Your hostility to the advance of technology in the doings of photography appears to have no rational basis. You mistake this progress for its inherent value because a corporate entity controls much of this improvement for the better. As a result, you may find yourself stuck in place or falling behind as the march of progress flows forward carrying photography with it.
The Adobe example of changing its method of delivery of its software products, via the Internet only, presents a convenience for producer and user alike.
I recognize your hardheadedness for its attraction in simplifying a response to change, while I note its limitation in ruling out the offerings of change.
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A subscription fee based payment model is NOT an advance in technology! It is simply a way to collect more money from software users. The Cloud is also NOT an advance in technology; it is simply the Internet. Yes, the Cloud is just another name for the Internet. YOU, my fellow Hogger, are actually the one who is mistaking this new billing method for progress (unless you mean progress for the corporations who will now make more money from their product). There is no inherent value for the consumer in using this new fee based payment system.
Whether Adobes change in their software delivery system presents a convenience or not, is a matter of opinion. Personally, I prefer outright purchase and updating as I see fit and can afford. I like to have the choice as to what I buy and when I pay for it. And if you think that leasing a product is cheaper than buying it outright, then you need a serious lesson in basic economics.
You calling someone hardheaded does not further your argument at all but, actually you have no argument. What you call a new method of software delivery has been around for a very long time, but then myopic people have a problem seeing what is in front of them for what it really is.