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Jan 8, 2020 15:01:34   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Chris first of all I can tell you with a very straight face that Conservatives are not as intolerant of Liberals speech. Conservatives are not in the news, not on YouTube, where you can see Antifa and other anti Conservative Liberals punching Conservatives in the face for speaking out. You have not and will not see Conservatives beating up someone for wearing a cap as you often see Liberals attack a person on the street simply for wearing a MAGA cap. You do not hear of or see Conservative restaurant owners throwing Liberals out on the street. You will see anti Conservatives standing right there in a restaurant provoking violence against the diners simply because they are having dinner in a restaurant owned by a Liberal. You have not seen Conservatives blocking traffic as you see Antifa doing.

Chris it is you who said you are a Democrat. Along those lines I have truthfully told you of things Democrats are doing, have done against Conservatives. If you don't believe me then I challenge you to look it up and prove me wrong. If you can see these things and still remain a proud Democrat then good for you and your happiness in being on the wrong side of history.

Right here in The Attic Democrats tell us every day that Trump's economy isn't really doing well. Of course economists tell us that the economy is the very best it has been since back in 1969. But you go ahead and believe the Democratic view, most of the people of course who are suffering from TDS. Trump has strengthened the military. If you don't believe that I am fine. As for Soleimani being taken out by President Trump's decision, you know as well as I do that if it had been Obama who had done the same thing the Left would be cheering. But since it was Trump and not Obama the Left has to put his accomplishment down so as not to allow Trump a win before the next election.

Our ports are not implementing the law in an altruistic way, you tell us. There are upwards of 3000 or more people at once flooding our ports of entry. There might be beds for 300 people. How altruistic can the staff members be. Already staff members are bringing in toys and clothing from their own homes to assist with the illegal aliens. Just how altruistic can they be. Do you really believe that Trump is keeping these people in cages while Obama did not? Trump did not build the cages but either Bush or Obama did. Where was your righteous indignation when Obama put these people in the very same cages? I don't recall your outcries of rage. Maybe I missed that.

As for having a good conversation I thought we were doing pretty well. What made you get angry? Was it me calling you a Democrat? You told me you were. I thought you would be proud of it. If you don't like what Democrats are doing then why go off on me? Why not see where they are lying to the American people and then go off on them?

Dennis
Chris first of all I can tell you with a very stra... (show quote)

I must apologize to you.

I am angry, with myself, for not being able to successfully articulate the things I want to say.

I don't think Democrats are lying, I think they're saying things that Republicans don't want to hear.
I'm not sure either party is tolerant of "the other guys" disagreeing with them...."all the time".

I understand that Conservatives are perfect and that Liberals are not. NOT!

I'd rather be someone who is continually questioning EVERYONE/EVERYTHING, than just sit back and accept what I'm fed.

BTW, that is NOT a specific comment on you.
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Jan 8, 2020 14:16:33   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Show me where we are not being responsive to those seeking asylum. They come to our Border Patrol stations where asylum is looked into and then are processed. But many decide upon their own version of processing and just come across illegally. Many have attacked our Border Patrol employees. I don't know about you but that is not coming across legally. If someone wants to come into America and yet attacks one of our law enforcement officers before getting into the country do you even suggest that person should be allowed into America EVER?

There are already laws in place that deal with crazy people not being allowed to possess firearms. But how would you deal with someone who legally already owns firearms but then becomes insane? Do we keep firearms out of the hands of all Americans just in case a few may become insane? I don't think that is the correct answer do you? Are you aware that with all of the hoopla and hand wringing on the part of Democrats the amount of firearms deaths in America has been dropping steadily except for a few Democrat run cities such as Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore? Are you aware that criminals do not obey laws, that you on the Left can pass hundreds of more anti gun laws but not one of them will have any more power than the over 25,000 anti gun laws already on the books. Murder is against the law. So is rape, armed robbery, child molestation and bank robbery. So far as I am aware not one of these laws has ever stopped even one citizen who was intent on committing those crimes. You cannot name one law that has ever stopped someone from killing someone else. So what good are all of these laws except for the law abiding who provide no threat to society in the first place.

You are right to be aware of how we take firearms or any other property from citizens. Right now in those states you mentioned a disgruntled husband or wife is able to go to a LEO and complain that the spouse threatened him/her. Simply saying, I feel threatened because Dennis has a number of firearms and I don't know what he will do, may bring a number of LEO's to my door to confiscate my firearms when I actually present no threat at all nor have I ever threatened anybody. But getting my firearms back may prove impossible.

You don't mention the 1st Amendment. Maybe you should take a look at what your Democrats are up to. Free speech has long been the forefront of American freedoms. But these days when Conservatives speak out against the Liberals they will call it hate speech and tell us it should not be allowed. That my friend goes directly against the 1st Amendment guaranteeing free speech.

The 1st Amendment also guarantees freedom of religion as well as right to protest peacefully. But as you should well know religion is under attack in America both for Christians and now against Jews. Conservatives protesting peacefully are routinely beaten up by Antifa, a Democratic supported violent group.

Dennis
Show me where we are not being responsive to those... (show quote)

First of all, let's stop with the "your Democrats" business.
I agree with many things Democrats stand for and disagree with many things.....AS SHOULD ANY INTELLIGENT person do with ANY group they affiliate with.

I don't have the time/patience/vocabulary to conduit a discussion here where it's impossible to communicate the fine points that need to be made.
Unfortunately, I'm still working and I don't usually come here when I'm not at work.

So far, we deal in generalities and "when did you stop beating your wife" kinds of questions.

I'm happy for you, and anyone else, who is 100% always in agreement with whomever they affiliate with.

Generally, I enjoy the discussions here, sans the name calling etc.

IMHO, I don't believe our ports of entry are implementing the law in such a altruistic way.

If it were up to me AND I knew that no one would ever be hurt/killed by a gun....YES, I would take them away from everyone.
But, I DON'T know that, so that's not what I'm saying.
I'll be satisfied when they reach zero.

Tell me, with a straight face, that Conservatives aren't as intolerant of Liberals speech?
Trumps tweets don't seem to me to show a tolerance for Liberals speech.

Under other circumstances, I think you and I could have a great conversation...maybe not change each others views, but it could be a good conversation.

This medium doesn't promote that very well.
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Jan 8, 2020 12:15:23   #
dennis2146 wrote:
We do have laws regarding asylum seekers. But of course every illegal alien coming across our border is not seeking asylum are they? Perhaps that is what the Liberals want to believe, all are coming here seeking asylum. But even common sense would dictate that is not true.

Those Amendments do not apply to immigration. Forgive me for making another point in my discussion against Liberals doing what they think is correct but which goes against either Federal law or the U.S. Constitution which they have all sworn to defend.

I am not sure now whether you are playing dumb (no offense meant) or honestly are not paying attention to what is happening on your side of the aisle. You might want to take a look at the attacks on those Amendments mentioned with regard to: Free speech is now deemed as hate speech by the Left. Frequent attacks on the 2nd Amendment by Liberals especially those running for POTUS, seizing property illegally per the 4th Amendment with regard to newly enacted Red Flag laws. This is what your Democrats are doing right now.

Dennis
We do have laws regarding asylum seekers. But of ... (show quote)

1) Then shouldn't we be more responsive to the one's who are seeking asylum.

2) I do not consider trying to keep guns out of the hands of "crazy people" who massacre innocent people as an attack on the 2nd Amendment.

3) From this article https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2019/09/04/red-flag-laws-spur-debate-over-due-process
Seized firearms are displayed during a Los Angeles news conference in February. Seventeen states and the District of Columbia have passed red flag
laws, which allow courts to seize firearms from those who may harm themselves or others.

My problem with this is making sure that we don't get "carried away".
I do not have a problem with taking ."....firearms from those who may harm themselves or others.".
I do think that we need to be careful how we define these people.
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Jan 8, 2020 11:42:05   #
phcaan wrote:
Formalize the segregation the society by political beliefs is exactly what the left has done to our education system. From secondary education to colleges, the left has installed their progressive agenda not only discouraging but penalizing any dissension to their agenda. I am sure that you approve of this type of formalized segregation.

I do NOT.

How about this....

You don't tell me what I think/believe and I won't tell you what you think/believe.

OK?
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Jan 8, 2020 11:16:16   #
Cykdelic wrote:
Try this on for size ..... nothing angry about the picture IF you can think for yourself and follow the facts and data! Your country’s fires are a result of arsonists, period. Yet the fascist progressive green move,ent spent months trying to sell it as climate change.

The only anger on the UH is you and you u controlled TDS and anti-American swill.


Decide for yourself.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/08/police-contradict-claims-spread-online-exaggerating-arsons-role-in-australian-bushfires
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Jan 8, 2020 10:39:48   #
dennis2146 wrote:
No bad at all. I thought we were on welfare. But illegal aliens can fit the very same post too.

Maybe then you can tell us when your Democratic side will start supporting enforcement of the Federal law that says illegal aliens may not cross our border without specific approval. Surely you know that Democrats are actually encouraging illegal aliens to cross the border by telling them if they get here they will be given jobs, housing and free education up through college.

So far, even though every member of Congress has sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution the Left side has gone against that oath numerous times with regard to encouraging illegal aliens to come to America, and by going against the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments. Do you support your Democratic side going against the Constitution they have sworn to defend?

Dennis
No bad at all. I thought we were on welfare. But... (show quote)

Sorry, this sounds so much like a ...When did you stop beating your wife kind of question.

I believe we have laws governing people showing up at our borders and asking for asylum.

Are "we" obeying all of those laws....? Doesn't appear that we are....IMHO.

I just reread the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments and don't see how they apply to immigration?

Is it your belief that ALL Conservative adhere 100% to the Constitution? and that it's only Liberals who
are breaking their oath?
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Jan 8, 2020 10:14:56   #
dennis2146 wrote:
I may be wrong but I seem to detect a bit of sarcasm in your comment. Not a problem. Perhaps you can show us where we are actually helping anyone achieve a better life. All welfare does for the majority of people especially those who have been on welfare for generations is to give them money. It doesn't train them to work at any job, doesn't teach them that there is bigger and better out there IF they find work and it sure doesn't teach them that working for oneself's own satisfaction is better than having the government just send a check.

I am all for welfare being a hand up but when it is used for years to support families who are able to support themselves then a cap should be imposed such as we will give you welfare for a certain length of time. After that you are on your own no matter what.

I can't speak for you personally but I can tell you that Democrats want people on the welfare plantation. Look up Star Parker. She will tell you the very same thing.

Dennis
I may be wrong but I seem to detect a bit of sarca... (show quote)

I'm sorry. I thought we were discussing immigrants.

My bad.

My beliefs about welfare have already been stated.

There are a very few people who will likely never be able to get off welfare....mentally/physically handicapped.

All others should be weaned off welfare, thru job training etc.
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Jan 8, 2020 09:44:50   #
LWW wrote:
So you still won’t answer.


I believe I have.

If you feel differently, pleases restate your question.
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Jan 8, 2020 09:43:42   #
LWW wrote:
I agree completely.

Now how is a police cruiser more or less safe of dangerous when going 80 to catch a speeder versus going 80 to catch a real criminal?


I don't believe I ever said it was different.
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Jan 8, 2020 09:38:22   #
LWW wrote:
If you had answered, I would.


I guess this is where I get to make the snide, condescending remark....

I can teach you but I can't learn it for you.
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Jan 8, 2020 09:34:28   #
LWW wrote:
Please explain how the laws of physics are different between driving 80 to catch a speeder vs trying to catch a robber by driving 80.

Wow...what a non sequitur.

I'm talking about people getting hurt and you're talking physics.

But, to your point.

I believe that 1 car going 80 is potentially more likely to hurt fewer people than 2 cars going 80.

Also, there is the hope, that the 1 car will slow down if not pursued.

Agree or not...your choice.
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Jan 8, 2020 09:28:46   #
dennis2146 wrote:
My guess is that people who love America will fight to preserve our great nation while those who claim to be patriots and at the same time mourn the loss of an enemy who has instrumented the murder of our own American servicemen as well as others around the globe will be the first ones to cling to the enemy in order to stay alive to cower another day.

If every single American would stand proudly with President Trump to cheer at the death of General Soleimani it would show such resolve on the part of Americans to stand firm in our desire for freedom that I truly believe the Iranians would back down. They would realize that America is truly not a nation they will ever dominate. But instead we have a nation of cowards and Liberal Democrats who so hate President Trump that they would rather see America fall than to stand up proudly for their own country.

Dennis
My guess is that people who love America will figh... (show quote)

I am first, last & always...loyal to my country.

People holding political office come and go. Some I like, some I don't.

I am always true and loyal to my country....as I'm sure you are.
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Jan 8, 2020 09:25:03   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Chris when I was about 14 years old my brothers and I helped my aunt pick vegetables for sale in her upstate NY farm. Right next to us was my aunt's own children and also were migrant workers who would come to America, follow the growing seasons to gain employment and then go back to Mexico to their own country and family. I suspect that this happens still all across America in that Americans are also picking some of the fruits and vegetables in those fields. What has changed is that the migrant workers, completely against American law, are now refusing to go back to their own country. Not only that but they are not just picking the crops but are taking jobs away from others here in America that deserve those jobs, the whites, blacks and Hispanics that are citizens and who deserve the opportunity to work to feed their own families.

I have no problem whatsoever with Democrats but I do have a problem with Democrats that assist illegal aliens in coming across our border, Democrats who want to give seemingly unlimited assistance to illegal aliens in the form of housing, jobs, higher education and so on while our own American citizens must pay for those things.

Dennis
Chris when I was about 14 years old my brothers an... (show quote)

I agree it is very despicable to try to help someone achieve a better life.
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Jan 8, 2020 09:23:07   #
LWW wrote:
I won't go that far, but I'd like to hear a leftist answer.

See some of my recent posts.
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Jan 8, 2020 09:22:42   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Chris I am not totally against welfare. There are some people who truly need government assistance to live. Give them that assistance. But consider that amount of people is contrasted by millions of people who are in just as good a condition to work as you or I have ever been. They are not sick but more like lazy. I think it is in 37 states that welfare payments are more than minimum wage. Many Americans feel they should not have to work if the government will give them the same amount of money for not working. Now please tell me what you would like done to ensure these people are forced off the welfare rolls and into jobs. At least can we agree they should be on welfare for let's say one year and then are booted off never to return. If someone can't find a job in a year they just are not looking.

As for the ladder and rope I don't necessarily disagree but do realize there are people out there that will build their own ladder to get up on that roof.

Dennis
Chris I am not totally against welfare. There are... (show quote)

We agree on so much here.

I recognize that we all possess different qualities and abilities.
Not everyone can build there own ladder to more power to the one's who can.

People who are able to work...should work.
However, if the only jobs available are at a non livable wage, I can see where some would choose not to work.

Let's be clear....I do NOT have ALL the answers...AND...there is no 1 answer that solves all of these situations.

We need to get back to having a dialogue about such things and see what and how we can fix things.
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