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Jan 3, 2018 13:27:37   #
topcat wrote:
Great camera, I bought it for its size. I am a Nikon shooter, but I am coming around to Sony.
There are a lot of things that I like about these mirrorless cameras. But I recommend the Gary Fong videos on YouTube. He is a Sony ambassador, and he goes in depth on how to set it up and use it.

Sure the kit lenses are good. The only problem with the Sony e mount system is that there isn't a lot of lenses available for it.But more are coming out, and with luck yo can find good used equipment.
I got a mount on eBay for about $10 I think, that will let me use Nikon lenses. Of course they are now manual, but still usable.
Great camera, I bought it for its size. I am a Nik... (show quote)


There is now a good selection of e-mount lenses for Sony's full frame cameras, although you are right not the best selection of e-mount lenses for their APS-C (i.e. Sony a6xxx) series.

Now you can use e-mount full frame lenses on a Sony a6xxx camera -- it's just that the Sony e-mount full frame lenses tend to be expensive. This is not a bad strategy if you plan to maybe upgrade to a Sony a7x series full frame camera down the road.
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Jan 3, 2018 13:21:24   #
Bill_de wrote:
I have a Perfect Office collectors item. Novell bought Perfect Office, had these hats made for the kick off, but sold it to Corel before the launch. Corel reps were giving away the hats.


Nice memento! It's amazing to think that Word Perfect has been around over 30 years, and still a great program.
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Jan 3, 2018 13:17:54   #
lmTrying wrote:
Hi Jerry:
I bought Word Perfect 8 somewhere around 1988-90. I used it till this summer. Tried to convert some of my files to Office. Bad mistake. No problem converting Office files to Word Perfect X8. It also included AfterShot 3. Have you used any of Corel's photo editing software? If you have, what do you think of it?


I'm still using Word Perfect, on X7 right now (i.e. version 17), the Home Version which I paid about $40 for. Been using WP since 1990, with WP 5.1 for DOS. If I were you I'd just recommend staying on WP, all your 25+ year old docs will work fine. Recommend the Home version, it's a lot cheaper and there is very little that the regular version has that is not in the Home version.

I'm a huge Corel PaintShop Pro user (on Version 2018) which just came out in August 2017. Fantastic program, does almost everything that Adobe Photoshop (the full version) does at a fraction of the price.

I played with AfterShot 3 about two years ago. It's a good program, but I found that I much prefer using a Photo Processing program like PaintShop Pro. (PaintShop Pro is like Photoshop, where AfterShot is like Lightroom).
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Dec 27, 2017 22:21:23   #
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Dec 27, 2017 19:15:01   #
Jakebrake wrote:
Yep!


We can do this. We can get it over 14 pages.

Although I think this thread is pretty much petered out. About six months ago we had a thread go 20 pages. I think that's the longest one I've seen so far.

Just be aware I'm not complaining about this thread. These Pro/Anti Adobe subscription thread's are kind of fun. With a silly click-bait title like "Why do you fear subscription software?", most of us already know what to expect going in. After 14 pages -- I don't even know if the OP got his/her answer? In the end, jakebrake, you're right there's a ton of people on UHH that are pro Adobe and a ton of people that are not (especially with re: to the subscription model issue), and really the right answer -- is do what you want, do what best meets your needs.
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Dec 27, 2017 14:34:50   #
Jakebrake wrote:
I can't believe this topic has gone on for 14 pages, when there are two simple answers. You have your Adobe sycophants who think it's the best thing since sliced bread and it works just fine for the pro's, and the dedicated photographers who want the convenience of both PS & LR in a package with recurring updates. It works for them, and that's great. Then there are the hobbyist, amateur and advanced photographers who just can't justify spending ten bucks a month forever, (Until Adobe raises the price) who will only use a small portion of the features with LR & PS, and find alternative programs that do exactly what they want them to do much cheaper or free. Actually, this boils down to the same thing as the Canon vs Nikon debates. Different strokes for different folks, and nobody is going to change anybody's mind.
I can't believe this topic has gone on for 14 page... (show quote)


Yes, your summary is fairly accurate of this thread (it's just like the subjective Canon/Nikon/Sony debates and the subjective PC versus Mac debate, etc...), although I'm surprised that you're surprised that this has gone on for 14 pages. ;-) This same Adobe topic happens at least once every two weeks, in one form or another on UHH. :-)
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Dec 25, 2017 17:15:08   #
bpulv wrote:
Computer security experts say you should always maintain a minimum of three (3) forms of backup for your photographs. At least one should be off site to protect against loss in the event of fire or natural disaster. The Cloud is not the best choice because your photos will be under the control of a second party that may have technical problems, financial failure or bankruptcy, sale to an unreliable party or may hold your data hostage to rising costs. My system provides both on and off site redundant backup that is completely under my own control.

My system consists of the following:

1) All storage of photographs is external to the computer’s (iMac) internal drive.

2) Downloads from the camera, editing, final product and primary storage is on a 5Tb Western Digital My Book drive.

a. Each shoot is stored in a folder identified by job name and date.

b. Within each folder are three sub-folders labeled “RAW”, “Edit” and “Final”. All uploads are made to the RAW folder and only copies of the raw files are copied to the Edit folder for editing. The final output that may include JEPG, TIFF, etc. files are transferred to the Final folder.

3) The complete primary storage drive is backed up to a Drobo 5-drive RAID (Redundant Array of Independent Disks). This allows multiple backup copies of the data along with offsite backup. In addition, the Drobo’s firmware automatically corrects any data transfer errors and insures that all backup drives have matched data. The RAID consists of five Western Digital Red Drives, which are designed for this type of service and have an excellent reputation for reliability. Furthermore they are “hot swappable” which means they can be safely inserted and removed from the Drobo without removing power from the system.

a. The Drobo is only powered on when backups are being made. Otherwise, it is powered off. This limits the exposure to possible hacking.

b. Although the Drobo can hold up to five drives, only four are in the unit at any given time. Three of the drives are never removed and provide the basic redundancy.

c. The fourth drive position is used for the offsite backup. Two drives are used for that purpose.

4) Once a week or as necessary, drive 4 is removed from the Drobo and taken to the bank. Drive 5 is removed from my safe deposit box and drive 4 takes it place in the box.

5) Drive 5 is inserted into the Drobo where the data from Drives 1, 2 and 3 are automatically copied to it.

As a result, I have complete redundancy and no recurring costs. The safe deposit box costs me nothing because I keep at least the minimum required amount in my bank accounts.

Now tell me why I would possibly want to use cloud storage of my photographs?
Computer security experts say you should always ma... (show quote)


Nice backup strategy!
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Dec 24, 2017 19:27:44   #
Peterff wrote:
You clearly didn't intend to be mean, but you did identify and stereotype a category of UHH members, and in a negative manner. I'm not sure that anyone took offense, or would consider you to be mean - at least I hope not - but it could have been interpreted by some as a blanket statement, it could also have been interpreted as mean by some. How can you be sure that you weren't delivering a message that was understood in any of those manners, even if unintentional. You can't. You did however stir the pot and received a variety of reactions. Then the discussion took on its own life...

However, in the spirit of kindness and goodwill, let's accept that your intent was pure, and that we extend Season's Greetings to all, regardless of race, creed, or religious affiliation. Even those that are sometimes snarky, sarcastic, self-absorbed, or somewhat intolerant, and try to do a little better next year.
You clearly didn't intend to be mean, but you did ... (show quote)


Well said Peterff -- and I'm sure the OP didn't mean anything by the "age" comment. I was surprised by the comment, but it appears to have been accidental.

Yes -- Happy Holidays to everyone on UHH, of all races, political affiliations, gender, religious beliefs, and age, etc...!! -- and a Happy New Year!!

Like Matt Granger always says -- "Get your gear out!"
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Dec 24, 2017 17:18:22   #
ronichas wrote:
I was trying to justify to myself about the mean comments.
If you read my note, it said "I tend to picture an old man, in his underwear, alone, lonely and posting negative comments.

I didn't mean to offend, it wasn't a blanket statement, I wasn't being mean to anyone.


I'm not an old man, but I can see where this comment can come off as offensive to some old men. I know you didn't mean to offend -- but that comment could have been left out of your post, especially when the post was about being nice.
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Dec 24, 2017 17:15:02   #
Peterff wrote:
Well said, again, Sir.


Yes -- well said. It was interesting to read the history of UHH.
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Dec 24, 2017 17:09:13   #
Peterff wrote:
That is true. Perhaps for many reasons, some good, or well intended, some not so. One thing that would help is if people considered whether they actually knew anything about the topic in hand before responding. Trying to be 'kind' or 'helpful' while demonstrating ignorance of a topic or question is neither kind nor helpful.

This happens a lot in the brand discussions. Comments such as "I don't know about this but as a long time <brand> user, I think this might possibly be what you need..." seldom have any value. I do know quite a lot about Canon equipment, Alan Myers (Amfoto1) knows a lot more and is very generous with his contributions, very occasionally he makes a mistake, but they are very few and far between. I don't know that much about Nikon, Pentax, Sony, or mirrorless cameras so generally try to avoid commenting on specifics.

Then there are the discussions about jpeg versus raw formats. I find it quite amazing how many people express strong opinions while demonstrating considerable ignorance about the topic. It is more complicated than some people think, yet less complicated than some of those same people realize. Again some people try to help, and in doing so proliferate misinformation. That does not help anybody achieve understanding, no matter how well intended it is.

Then there are the computer discussions where we have some very well informed individuals, but many that have very limited expertise, yet they happily give uninformed advice.

Conversations wander, and a discussion forum is about conversations, UHH is not strictly a technical support site, so off topic things can sometimes be valuable, or at least entertaining. However, it is always possible to keep things civil, even if the topic is contentious.

As a former colleague once said in response to the comment, "You Southern women are so nice.", she just shot the guy down with "Honey, we ain't always nice, but we're always polite!"
That is true. Perhaps for many reasons, some good... (show quote)


I agree with you. It's like I said when the topic is very technical it stays on target -- the problem is that there are many topics that are "subjective" and then it just gets down to people's opinions, and then some people get really emotional about their opinions. It's usually all the brand discussions, like Camera models, What Post Processing software to use, What brand of computer to use, etc... Many people get really emotional about their brands. Nothing wrong with that. The one thing about subjective topics, is that there really are no wrong or right answers.
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Dec 24, 2017 16:58:14   #
grandkids6 wrote:
I take the ..an old man setting around in their underwear etc. as a slap to old men setting around in underwear.... If I was to say that I think old woman sitting around in their underwear, I would hear all kinds of negative comments. I don't think it's a fair statement just to say that, you don't know who is writing the replys.. I think it's young kids who know everything{another dumb statement} don't make blanket statements....Merry Christmas, Grandpa[who is setting in his underwer]


Yes, let's please not make blanket assumptions and statements! I did think it seemed a little strange for the OP to ask us to be nice -- and then put that comment about old men in her post.

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Dec 24, 2017 16:45:39   #
BebuLamar wrote:
I checked out the A6000 at several stores as I considered buying it for my wife.
On the plus side. It delivers very good images, built quality is good, looks good. Lens choices are limited but sufficient for me.
On the minus side. It's an extremely complex camera and the manual isn't very good. I have downloaded the manual and spent quite sometime to study it. The complexity came from the fact that it has so many automation functions. It's much more difficult to use than a typical DSLR.


Super simple solution get the Friedman or Busch book on the Sony a6000.

I'll be honest, I've looked at some of the Nikon and Canon user manual's and they're pretty bad as well. The Busch book on the a6000 was an incredible $20 investment, especially considering I paid $750 for the Sony a6000 with the Sony 16-55mm and 55-200mm kit lenses.

The a6000 really isn't that much harder to use than a DSLR -- and recommend you learn how to used "focus peaking" and "zebras". The Busch or Friedman books have excellent explanations of these two features -- some very cool things that are only available on cameras that have Electronic View Finders (EVFs).
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Dec 24, 2017 16:35:15   #
awc657 wrote:
I am a long time Sony user. In fact, I currently own 6 Sony bodies and numerous lenses. I never had any problem with the menu system and could not be happier with the Sony system. As others have advised seek help on YouTube. You will find a huge resource there. I think you will love the camera. I certainly do.


... and also spend the $20 bucks on Amazon for either the Freidman or Busch book. Great investment!! I own the Busch book for the Sony a6000 -- and it is just so good on the way it explains what everything does.

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Dec 24, 2017 16:22:11   #
Merry Christmas everyone!!

Yes -- I hope this message will resonate, although I went through the posts and did not see any of the people I usually ignore on this thread. :-)

I find this site pretty tame, compared to YouTube forums and other public forums, but then again I have a very thick skin. It helps if you realize these are just words. Yes, I realize words do hurt some people, but words don't hurt me at all. It really depends on your personality, but I do empathize with the people on this thread. When some topics are very subjective you get different opinions, and some people are naturally very emotional about their opinions. The real technical stuff I find very clean. Some advice I give people is learn to avoid the "subjective" posts if you don't want to see the nastiness -- or just ignore the people you find offensive if you can. The technical stuff I feel is pretty clean.

So for example, someone the other day started a thread with the title: "Why do you fear subscription software?". Heck, you already know there going to be some stuff flying on this thread. So my advice is to avoid those kinds of "subjective" threads if you don't want to see some "rough" posts. You already know it's just going to be everyone's opinions from those that are Pro-Adobe subscription and those that are Anti-Adobe subscription.

On the truly nasty side -- I think they do block some people -- like using nasty language is completely not acceptable at all, and we all need to report that so that it does get blocked.
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