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Aug 15, 2023 02:08:36   #
burkphoto wrote:
The equivalence referred to is the depth of field. If you maintain constant field of view when switching from full frame to Micro 4/3, then you willuse lenses that are HALF the focal length. When that is so, a 25mm f/1.7 normal lens on m43 has the light gathering effect of f/1.7, but it has the depth of field you would get with a 50mm lens set to f/3.5 on a full frame camera.

There are trade-offs to every camera platform. Micro 4/3 provides deeper depth of field for a given FIELD OF VIEW. Full frame provides shallower depth of field for a given field of view. Whether it's a benefit or detriment in either case depends on the subject matter and the photographer's preference and knowledge.

While many photographers like shallow depth of field so they can separate subject from background and foreground, many others find that look unnatural and disorienting. They prefer deep depth of field, especially for landscapes, architecture, some product photography, and some photojournalism.

"Best" is always relative to personal needs, wants, hopes, dreams, desires, and willingness to compromise on certain points. The overall perfect camera for all photographers does not exist, but perfect cameras exist for some of us and for some use cases.

There is always someone who does not understand that point and insists that the image resolution and low light ability and shallow depth of field of full frame gear are the only things that matter, and that they should matter universally. But that is not the case! Sometimes you want to travel light, get more depth, not less, and not have to spend computer power on 61MP files that are going to be printed to 8x10 and smaller, or simply posted on web sites.
The equivalence referred to is the depth of field.... (show quote)


Pretty sure most here agree on all of the above...
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Aug 14, 2023 23:03:17   #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
That Panny/Leica 100-400 is a nice lens, but if you’re shooting an Olympus body I’d stick with the Oly lens. The OIS in the lens will work in conjunction with the IBIS in the body while with the Panny/Leica you can chose one or the other. There are also some special functions on Olympus that only work with certain of lenses, like getting 50fps with full AF tracking. It will also work with the Olympus TC’s.


I've owned both, and while the Panny has the advantage in size and weight, the Oly is noticeably sharper. And good luck getting the Panny serviced, I had a nightmare trying and had to practiclaly give mine away.

But I agree, shoot Panny on Panny and Oly on Oly. You won't give up any features that way
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Aug 14, 2023 22:58:24   #
Nonsense. F?9 is NOT equivalent to f/4.5. The primary function of aperture is exposure. Depth of field is secondary.


Shallow depth of field is useless if you don't have the shutter speed to get the shot. I presume you understand the exposure triangle?

Anyway, it's not really equivalent, of course. If you want the shallow depth of field over the size/weight/cost issue, go full frame. Just so we all understand what the trade-offs are. But f/9 is not and never will be the "equivalent" of f/4.5.
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Aug 14, 2023 10:17:17   #
Canisdirus wrote:
Hey...come over and stand on the head of this pin.

It will have the equivalent DOF of an f/9 FF lens.

No one enjoys increased DOF...when it is not needed.

It's a limitation...not an advantage...no matter what the marketing dept.'s tell you.


LOL. I don't need a marketing department to tell me what I like. Do you?
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Aug 14, 2023 10:02:58   #
Canisdirus wrote:
Oh my...reality check is in order here.

You are right about not being apples to apples...just backwards. Micro cannot catch FF...not the other way around.

A 400 f/4.5 FF will give a DOF of...f/4.5.

A 400 f/4.5 Micro will give a DOF of...f/9.

That's just what people see when they look at images...and pretty much all folks care about...the DOF...they may not be able to articulate it in words...but the brain automatically is affected by it.

FF wins most of the categories...because sensor size matters...always has.
Oh my...reality check is in order here. br br You... (show quote)


F/9 is not a depth of field. It affects depth of field, yes, but it is an aperture. Some prefer the increased depth of field of a smaller sensor.

And you need a sense of humor check.

Enjoy your day.
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Aug 13, 2023 21:53:48   #
radiojohn wrote:
Please explain in what ways that aperture is different. The "I know something you don't know" applies to me. I don't know what you are talking about.


If you hit "Quote reply" when you post, the rest of us will know to whom you are addressing your question.
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Aug 13, 2023 17:33:22   #
ricardo00 wrote:
In so many ways, this analogy is flawed. It is something that I really don't want to argue but if you seriously believe that a f/4.5 lens on a micro 4/3 sensor is the equivalent of a f/4.5 lens on a full frame sensor, then the micro 4/3 system is perfect for you.


Of course it's not a fair comparison, because the FF equivalent simply does not exist. Also the Oly has a significant advantage in size, weight and price, in hand-hold ability and depth of field. (Unless you're of the mind that only getting a couple of eyelashes in focus is a plus--- )

Seriously, though, it is apples to oranges, but my comparison is valid, because f/4.5 is still f/4.5 on any size sensor

And don't forget Hand held high resolution of 50 MP, or tripod mount 80 MP, both of which reduce noise greatly.

So yes, Oly m/43 IS perfect FOR ME. And they'll pry my 150-400 from my cold dead hands.
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Aug 13, 2023 12:45:10   #
ricardo00 wrote:
many of the people I know like the OM 150-400mm with a built-in TC, which at $7,500 and 4.1 pounds, doesn't save one either money or weight


If you believe the 150-400 is heavy and expensive, you should try to imagine what a full frame equivalent would cost and weigh.

That would be a 300-800 f/4.5 zoom with a built in TC that would get you 1000mm. It hurts my shoulders just thinking about it, and you'd be cryung all the way to the bank.

And you probably wouldn't get nearly as good weather sealing or IS.
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Aug 12, 2023 10:24:42   #
I used to automatically buyan L bracket every time I got new camera. Now that I shoot Oly mirrorless exclusively, I almost never use a tripod anymore, even shooting birds at a 100 mm equivalent. The IS is that good.

That said, once in a while I think a tripod would come in handy, and If I'm going to shoot with one, I would definitely want an L bracket.
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Jul 30, 2023 12:33:08   #
since you're starting from scratch, try them out at a store or rent them to see how they feel in your hand,formerNikonguy myself, but if they're notin stock, they won't doyou much good.

Have you considered micro 4/3, since weight and availability are an issue?
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Jul 17, 2023 10:48:36   #
I totally agree with the notion of going to one system. I finally left Nikon after trying to maintain two completely different systems, and stayed with my Olympus m4/3 stuff.

I won't try to sell you on any particular system, but I strongly urge you to look into mirrorless. I also like having two identical bodies, with a dedicated long lens on one for wildlife, and a shorter whatever for landscapes etc. on the other.

It makes life so much simpler.
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Jul 10, 2023 10:31:29   #
Uh oh....Food fight!!
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Jul 8, 2023 15:36:58   #
Using either of the hi-res modes eliminates a lotof noise also. If they combine the tracker with that, noise shouldn't be an issue.
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Jul 7, 2023 15:49:12   #


If I was still looking for mine, I'd jump on that one. (After checking out the seller.)
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Jul 7, 2023 10:58:01   #
whitehall wrote:
Love the 100-400 Panasonic Leica. Better range than 150-400. Readily available but pricy


Not even close in quality, and good luck getting repairs. Speaking from experience here.

The Oly 100-400is a far better alternative.
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