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Aug 8, 2023 15:45:47   #
larryepage wrote:
My road in digital photography has some parallels to yours. I started shooting with a Hawkeye Brownie 620 when I was about 7 years old, then moved through several different 3mm cameras as my dad progressed through his photography addiction. My first experience with digital was when I bought a Nikon CoolPix P3 at work to help create documentation for training and troubleshooting. That led to my first DSLR, a Fuji S3Pro in 2005, then quickly to a Nikon D200 a year or so later. After probably 11 years, the D200 became a used D300s when I retired, then a D810, D850, and D500.

Now, let's talk about lenses. I bought a Nikkor 18-70mm DX zoom with the S3Pro. (Fuji DSLRs used Nikon F-Mount lenses then.) It served OK with that 6 MP camera. But when I moved to the D200, I began to notice that almost all my photographs looked like they were out of focus. A little bit of checking showed that the problem wasn't a focus problem. Everything at every distance was fuzzy. And sometimes one side of the image was worse than the other side. Now...I am not a stickler for perfectly sharp images, but this was a real problem. I went to my camera store for a solution and came away with the Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8 DX zoom. Wow. What a difference. Immediately. And of f course, for the price difference, my expectation wasn't too much too out of line with what I was seeing. The penalty, though, was that now I was shooting with a larger, much heavier lens.

Over time, I became interested in adding some other lenses...different focal lengths, different capabilities. But I wanted lenses that performed like that 17-5mm, not like the original 18-70mm. As an engineer, I also appreciated the much, much better build quality of that professional grade lens. What I quickly discovered was that the 17-55 was the only professional grade DX lens offered by Nikon. They already knew that their future was in full frame cameras, I suspect, so that's where their development and manufacturing dollars were directed, beginning a long time ago. And even the lenses that weren't considered as official "Gold Ring" professional lenses were far superior to any of their DX products. The 300mm f/4 is a very nice lens at a very attractive price, and the 'little' 180mm f/2.8 AF-D is a hidden gem that I'll never part with. And I'll guarantee that there is nothing else that comes close to the 70-200mm f/2.8 AF-S or its newer incarnations, certainly not in a DX lens.

There are some "doggy" full frame lenses, like the 18-35mm variable aperture AF-D zoom that I bought when I was going to do a night sky workshop. That lens has all sorts of problems when used on a full frame camera. But it is a great wide-normal zoom on a DX camera.

So bottom line, I believe that your observation about Nikon's focus on full frame lenses is largely correct. I think they decided a long time ago that their future was in full frame cameras and lenses. The F mount allows for use of full frame lenses on DX cameras with no penalties of any sort. My experience does not support a general statement that DX lenses provide better results than FX lenses on crop frame cameras. Other makers products may behave differently, but it would be difficult to understand how or why.

The question of the "speed booster" is a different question. Based on the physics of bringing more photons to impinge on the sensor at a given f/stop, it would increase the exposure, just like using extension tubes spreads the image out and reduces the exposure. But the question becomes, "how faithfully does it do that job?" My guess is that it is more gimmicky than useful.
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I have concluded that the best results will probably come from going with what each company considers their main focus, no pun intended. Because that is where they are going to concentrate all or nearly all of their resources. Within the normal limitations of smaller sensors, it still explains why I'm seeing very good results from companies like Fujifilm and Olympus. Likewise, the results I'm seeing from the new Nikon Z system shows how opening up the lens mount and positioning the lens closer to the sensor has really improved the optical image quality. I see that same improvement in pictures I take with my rangefinder cameras where the lens is closer to the film plane.
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Aug 8, 2023 15:23:40   #
Canisdirus wrote:
Matched lens for format is usually best.

It's all about the engineering...ignore at your own loss.


Yes, that is what I am seeing too which prompted the question to the group.
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Aug 8, 2023 08:31:28   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
You're paying more for a larger & heavier lens than you need for a cropped sensor body. It's up to you and your wallet and arm whether that FF lens is a better choice than the corresponding (if available) DX-style lens.


I was looking at this issue from a technical point of view rather than a cost, weight/size view. Over the years, I have used all formats and I notice that when the lens matches the sensor, I see a better image quality. Examples for me are Fujifilm cameras and lens and MFT cameras and lenses. When I look at Nikon where I am using a DX D500 and a FX 200-500 f5.6, the quality is not as good as when I put the 200-500 on a D5. Granted, the quality of the D5 and the sensor size are factors here but I am amazed by how much better the quality of the Fujifilm and Olympus/Panasonic Lumix images compared to the Nikon D500 or D7200 images when using the FX lenses. Perhaps I am just discounting the gains from using the full frame Nikons but I do think Canon and Nikon do not put as much effort into producing the highest quality crop sensor lenses as Fujifilm and the MFT's companies do since that is all they produce.
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Aug 8, 2023 07:25:21   #
For years I have used FF lenses on my crop sensor cameras. Mainly because the FF lenses are a better quality than the brands crop sensor lenses and to get more reach when photographing auto racing. But I have always wondered if I am losing quality in the image but not using the intensity of the full cone of light coming to bear on the sensor. I understand that the "sweet spot" of a lens is in the center which is what is actually landing on the crop sensor, but am I not wasting some of the light that is produced by the lens but not landing on the sensor? Does a speed booster direct the full cone of light back onto the smaller sensor? By its name, it seems to imply that I will be getting more light on the sensor and therefore able to get an f stop gain.
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Aug 3, 2023 06:20:28   #
Much of what is listed was true for me. Our first TV was in 1960 and we did not have a phone in the house. To make a 3 minute call to my brother who lived in Washington DC, we went to a phone booth late at night so the traffic noise wasn't so bad and deposited several dollars worth of coins into the slots on the phone and then all three of us crammed into so we could close the door. After three minutes the operator would interrupt and ask for more money. I was too young to remember the Korean war but I remember "Ike" being elected President.
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Jul 7, 2023 06:51:24   #
I have nice memories of my times in Alaska. Thanks for the reminder!
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Jul 7, 2023 06:43:28   #
Sales can sometimes indicate trends when all brands included are pretty much on a level playing field. In the case of cameras, there are two companies who have way more money than the others: Sony and Canon. The others have to find niche fields, depend on loyalty, or just produce a quality product that someone is willing to purchase. I have watched the camera business for quite a few decades and have found that some innovations have driven customers to products and therefore has sustained sales for that company over a fairly long period. Nikon had the upper hand when their slr was the choice of pros. Then Canon introduced the EOS system and they ruled for a long time. Sony was first to produce a full frame mirrorless camera and has sustained growth in recent years. Then their autofocus system has been the one to beat after that. These two innovations has almost brought Sony up to Canon. I think they are trying to capture the market and they have the money to throw. It may well be that they gave some very sweet deals to the news outlets. In the near future, will it be the stacked sensors and the shutterless or global shutter cameras that rule? Who will develop them first? Wait and see.
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Jul 5, 2023 07:59:32   #
Buying and using very old cameras is always a "buyer beware" proposal. As Paul said, the pro bodies will probably outlast you if you buy a very good used one in the first place. The more electronic it is, the more likely you will have problems which nobody can fix. The old mechanical manual focus cameras have the best longevity. I still use a lot of these oldies, mostly Nikons, and have never had a problem with any of them, but I'm not putting them to professional demands either. Having lived in Tokyo, I can say that the chance of getting them repaired there is far better than in the states or anywhere else for that matter. There are a number of shops where knowledgeable technicians have a pretty good supply of doner bodies to choose from. The Japanese love their cameras and have the good sense to treat them carefully and preserve them over many decades.
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Jun 28, 2023 07:40:36   #
We rely so much on the technology today that practically no one living in the so-called West would be able to handle their lives. Even these few would not survive because of all the rioting. Only those primitive people who still operate today as if it was a thousand years ago would be able to survive.
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Jun 27, 2023 06:55:31   #
Compare these to the early Corvettes. A striking resemblance.
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Jun 26, 2023 12:13:19   #
A very sad and tragic turn of events. Shade, plenty of electrolytes and proper clothing are essential. I always kept my hat soaked in water to keep the noggin as cool as possible. Being from Florida, they were probably used to the humidity, but that part of Texas is not the same. I camped in Big Bend right next to the Rio one June and stayed outside all night on a cot to let the breeze cool me off. Still very hot even at night. The bats kept the bugs off me.
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Jun 21, 2023 09:33:02   #
Brings back a lot of memories KT. A very nice set. Kudo's to the restorer too! A lot of work went into this one.
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Jun 21, 2023 09:21:53   #
charles tabb wrote:
In 1958 I spent 3 months (May June & JULY) In Air force Basic Training at Lackland AFB Texas.
The hot days on the drill field were brutal.
You have my sympathy.


Apparently, they had "wised up" by '64 when I was at Lackland. Probably had some heat stroke losses. They wouldn't let us do anything outdoors when it was very hot. Only indoor classes.
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Jun 12, 2023 06:44:34   #
I had a neighbor who owned one of these. Very cool car that holds it's timeless beauty.
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May 17, 2023 06:35:51   #
The MFT cameras are the smallest, lightest system cameras you can get. The quality of the images is very good considering the size of the sensor. I have a back pack with a complete Olympus system in it and I can lift it with one finger through the loop. (two bodies, four lenses, some batteries, filters, and a charger) I can't say that about my DSLR kits or even my mirrorless FF or APS-C kits.
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