The amount of the fine was pulled out of the judges arse. There was absolutely no loss of money by any of the alleged victims. There were no direct, nor indirect damages which could be assessed, since there were no victims. Ergo, any amount would be excessive. The judge admitted he calculated the fine only on what he saw were potential damages.

The so-called bond was based on the assessed fine against Trump. And there are any number of attorneys who've stated that the fine was beyond any reasonable amount, if there were any victims.

I did not state an opinion. The 8th Amendment prohibits unreasonable punishment, including fines. You should go read a book, but you really should pull your skull out of your arse first.

Junior high - Hermalean Hornbuckle - Hotter than a $2 pistol. Years later, saw her performing at a strip club, confirming my adolescent fantasies.

Not when the original bond was $450 million +/-. Clear violation of the 8th Amendment.

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Mine are not theories. They are derived from the spoken words of legal luminaries such as Alan Dershowitz and Professor Jonathon Turley. They were not made from whole cloth as the NY AG and that moronic judge Juan Merchan did.

The 5th Amendment also guarantees due process and does not specify criminal or civil actions; read the entire amendment.
The 8th Amendment prohibits excessive fines. $400 million plus is pure fantasy, since there was no civil infraction. Deutsche Bank, on which this case is partly based, filed no complaint, civil or otherwise, with the NY AG office.
The 14th Amendment also guarantees due process.

I guess you should send Donald Trump a bill for rent. He's taken up residence in your feeble mind, and you haven't the smarts to charge him for it.

Not true. He may also appeal through the Federal courts based on U.S. Constitutional violations of his 5th, 8th, and 14th Amendment rights. All of those were violated in NY State courts. Happens all the time in civil and criminal cases.

Appeals and due process haven't yet played out.

And since we're talking about civil infractions, then it's not guilt that's involved.

This is the trouble with the idiocy delivered to the hoi polloi by a corrupt media. Nobody bothers to check just how the property ownerships are structured. Commercial properties are incredibly complicated, both in their financing, and deeds.

There are other entities involved, and the idiot AG glosses over their interests as if they don't exist. I'm a bit surprised that other interested parties haven't become more widely known.

There are also Constitutional issues involving the 8th Amendment, as well as the 5th and 14th Amendments.

If James is successful in her persecution and illegal asset confiscation, and Trump is then successful in getting this farce dismissed on appeal, the state of New York will likely be bankrupted in the counter-actions. Trump also has a route through the Federal Courts with civil violations of his Constitutional rights. Most of the numbers mentioned are "fire sale" prices. As many folks know, that when property values come into play in civil courts, they're rarely cited in terms of the "fire sale"; market value is a far different animal.

If you're referring to NY's persecution of Donald Trump, then you have no idea of which you write.

Lots of folks are asset-rich, yet cash-poor. Happens all the time. Excess cash fluidity is dangerous; like keeping your money under the mattress. Find me anyone who had $500 million cash on hand. Oops! You can't!!!

Most folks have one major asset, their home. And those, while they're all encumbered, certainly aren't liquid assets.

There's lots of evidence that NY has violated Trump's 8th Amendment rights; not only the 5th and 14th Amendments. Punishment must match the crime. And the "crime", which is a nonstarter, had no victims.

I love that Trump lives in your head 24/7.

It's painfully obvious that your exposure to history and economics extends only to Google searches. Have you even read any of the scholarly works which led to the adoption of our Constitution?

I don't gives a rats a$$ whether you, nor anyone else cares about my scholarly achievements. I've been on a lifetime quest for knowledge, as opposed to you, when you dropped out of kindergarten.

I'm not a fan of Donald Trump, and if you had read any of my previous posts on the subject, you would know that. I'm only interested in maintaining our Constitutionally Limited Republic.

Donald Trump has taken up permanent residence in your empty skull, and you show it with every post you make, attempting to justify your tired screed.

Since you brought up the subject, we are not a Democracy. We are a Constitutionally Limited Republic. I don't need to write a second dissertation. I wrote a thesis on the subject in my senior year of poly sci studies.

I'm a Libertarian by philosophy, a Conservative by practice.

Read a book, and study economics.

We're not at war, so there can be no charges of treason. And not a single person was ever charged with insurrection.

You Lefties never get it right.

Biden created no jobs. Those jobs were all on the shelf as a result of Dimm governors shutting down businesses during COVID.

The rest of your statement is BS as well. President Trump launched no assault on the Capitol.

WTF does the Left come up with this idiocy? Oh, yeah! Right out of their behinds!

This will go to court. Dartmouth claims they're not employees of the college. None of those who voted to unionize will be around by the time this is settled.

I've always preferred a hard copy of the daily newspaper to the electronic versions. We had the paper delivered for years, until 2020. The carrier really got lazy and started delivering the paper to the foot of the driveway, would only use the little plastic sacks occasionally. I complained nicely to him, and he ignored my communications. I then contacted the circulation department, and was advised that they would take corrective action. However, that never happened. I collected all the wet newspapers delivered, and when I fired the b***ard, I took all the old wet newspapers and dumped them on his front porch; there were at least 100. Never heard another word.

I have legitimate bona fides. I worked as a circulation manager for a fairly large metro paper while going to college, so I've heard all the excuses, and caught all the flack from irate customers.

I wore glasses for nearly 50 years. I only started when I failed the vision exam for a Navy ROTC scholarship. My astigmatism was horrible (4.5 cylinder, the max correctable), as well as myopia. I developed cataracts starting @ 2011, and in two years, I decided enough was enough. I discussed with my Ophthalmic surgeon and he advised me of a new, at the time, toric lens which could possibly completely correct my astigmatism as well as fix the cataracts. It's been over ten years, and I still only need a 1.5 diopter correction for reading only.

The great part is being able to wear all the cool sunglasses like Wiley-X which are wrap-arounds, and my shooting glasses don't need inserts.

My ophthalmologist is now concerned about the possibility of glaucoma. He hasn't found any signs yet (pressure in each eye is about 17, and no signs of nerve inflammation). I read that the normal pressure range is 12-22, so mine is at the center. My range of vision hasn't changed in 12 years. He's a very cautious doctor, and I'm hoping this is only a "preventive" measure, although if glaucoma sets in there's no real cure.