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Dec 22, 2017 11:21:26   #
I like to use Clarity for my real estate shots. I apply different levels of contrast to different components. For example, micro and low contrast brings out the grain in wooden cabinetry and adds punch to clouds. Other components benefit from the smoothing effect of reduced contrast. The old Topaz Labs version allows me to apply the contrast and then mask it out everywhere else but the new Topaz Studio version does not have the masking feature. The newer version is supposed to be improved in that the different levels of contrast are more discrete and do not overlap with each other as does the Topaz Labs version. Maybe that aspect is an improvement, I don't know, because the lack of masking ability does not allow me to easily treat different components differently and so I still use the old version.
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Jul 20, 2017 09:23:42   #
I was in the same situation about three months ago. I am a real estate agent and use a large sensor point and shoot, Cannon G1X II. I had been reading on this excellent site about how much improvement can be achieved by shooting in RAW. I downloaded some free trials but, as you say, the results were not right. I finally tried LightRoom. It works great for me. I particularly like the highlight and shadow sliders. There are many great free online tutorials. I now have much improved capability to handle a larger dynamic range.


tomad wrote:
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for several days and can see that there is a wealth of valuable experience here to tap into. I've been an avid hobby photographer for about 50 years and moved to digital about 10 years ago. So far I've moved from the best point and shoot available to using the best bridge cameras available. I get very good results (for me) using Sony and Panasonic 1" sensor cameras at the best JPEG settings. However, I would like to go further as both cameras have the ability to shoot RAW. I have a large monitor main computer that runs Ubuntu and a good laptop that runs Windows 10. That's the setup. Now the issue. I have been totally frustrated trying to do anything with a RAW file. Even to open one seems to be difficult and then all I see is a monochrome version of my color photo. I've tried to work with both Gimp and RawTherapee on my Ubuntu machine and have been frustrated from the start.

I strive to get the very best out of every shot, no matter the equipment. So, my question is; Can someone point me to some very basic online help to begin to use RAW files in one of these editors (Ubuntu or RawTherapee) or another one that works on Ubuntu, or a free one that will work on my Windows laptop. I need to start with one that has an easy to understand user interface and/or a good beginner tutorial available.

I know from reading many of your posts here that I can get way better results (even from my bridge cameras) using RAW files but after several tries I have always given up and gone back to JPEG so please help me get past this barrier to better photography. Thanks!
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Sep 30, 2016 09:18:18   #
I have done exterior price opinions for companies that service banks for years. These reports include photos of the house, front angle of the house, house numbers, street view, street sign. Usually it is a distressed situation or one bank selling a portfolio of loans to another. The homeowner is not aware that a report has been ordered. I usually can take all photos from within my car but I am aware that I look suspicious just as does the guy in the photo. These reports are being done everyday all over the nation.
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Sep 15, 2016 09:50:58   #
hwg wrote:
Counter reply: having been looking to buy a new home to buy for over two months, we are very disgusted with extreme wide-angle room photos. After she saw my photos of our current home using FF 35mm lens, our agent offered to get me certified as a RE photographer in our area, but I doubted other agents would use me. I feel moving the camera around rooms presents a more accurate picture of what clients will see when they get to the house, including normal lawns rather than estate vistas of exterior shots. As a photographer, I understand the WA perspective issue, but to me it's misleading to create false expectations.
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I agree. In my area, they even use extreme wide-angle for exterior shots. They use great equipment; high dynamic range; but emphasising the foreground so strongly is not a good marketing photo in my opinion.
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Jun 23, 2016 09:45:49   #
Nikon_DonB wrote:
Plus on top of it all. You can't beat Corel's price and it runs most of the plug-ins too. Corel also has decent support.
I have used Corel PSP for 15 years and recently have started to use Topaz Clarity plug-in. Clarity offers four different levels of contrast. In my real estate photos, I can smooth out lawns and walls and blue sky while enhancing granite counter tops, wooden cabinetry, cloudy sky, brick/stone exteriors, and hills in the landscape.
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Feb 24, 2016 11:18:07   #
Not sure :-) What I love so much about this forum is that I find out about things that I didn't know I didn't know.

But as far as I know, Paint Shop Pro has served me well for 16 years. I mostly use the Fill Light.

bobmcculloch wrote:
I don't think so, have you ever not been able to do something you wanted to do? That would be my test.
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Feb 24, 2016 10:26:59   #
Paint Shop Pro is all that I have ever used. I have always wondered if I am missing something good by not using the Photoshop family.


Billyspad wrote:
Not one objective reply for this person. All the usual I have bought it/rent it so therefore you should.
Look I post process stuff to hell and back and use Photoshop CS6 available online for around $50 or free if your a software pirate. My copy is at least 6 years old and never been updated. Anyone welcome to look at my profile and images and tell me what I have been missing?
If I was like you and moving from Picasso go for Adobe Elements or take a look at Paint Shop Pro.
Look at the number of problems Lightroom causes people on here and ask yourself why rent a headache.Its main problem is once installed you have to change your whole way of working to LR methods. Make a simple error and it screws you big time. An awful piece of badly written software.
But we have a member with inside info on Adobe business models etc so may know if a program re-write is on the cards lol.
So Elements or Paint Shop Pro. Or join me on the dark side and Ill show you where to buy them very cheaply.
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Feb 14, 2016 14:39:16   #
Thanks, good to contemplate the use of auxiliary lighting and the photos are an excellent example of what can be accomplished and of increased image quality. But in terms of composition, maybe it's just me, but I don't see tripod level photos as always being the proper choice; particularly in kitchens. True, tripod level makes vertical line distortion easy to deal with but I think it interferes with presenting what it is that is being offered for purchase. Buyers are more interested, based on my showing experience, with a good look at cabinetry, flooring, and countertops than they are with evaluating the technical correctness of vertical lines. But I also think that I could do a better job of handling vertical lines. If a photographer, as does a chess player, can think a move ahead he can add a bit of space to allow for vertical line correction.

As I stated in my original post, this forum has been most helpful to me in showing me what it is that I don't know. It never much occured to me to care about vertical lines but now that I know I have worked on some photos with my PSP perspective correction tool and have discovered how to combat the distortion.

Up until the last couple of years, I never noticed very wide angles in the MLS presentations. In the past, the photos were so badly compressed that hiring a pro didn't occur to high end realtors. But now that the pros have become involved, tripods and very wide angles are being employed. I suppose that this type of photography will become the norm. The Sony A7 does provide an alternative; tilting viewfinder, large sensor, image stabilization, interchangeable lens. Perhaps this new camera will produce something better than the present norm.


Gene51 wrote:
This photographer I've been mentoring for the past 2 yrs shoots high end RE. He uses a combination of speedlights, hot lights, mono lights, a pair of Canon 5DMkIIIs, a 17mm and a 24mm TS lens, a 24-70 F2.8 and takes advantage of HDR, panostitching (often together). I have shown him how to use blackout cloth on the windows, and to take multiple exposures using a single speedlight (like light painting) to create an effect. His work is an example of what high end RE can be. Is this what you are striving for?

http://ronnachtwey.com/before-after-residential/

The best results are achieved with a combination of camera, lens(es), composition/lighting/shooting technique, and solid post processing. A deficit in any of the above will reduce image quality, but more importantly, the eye-catching image quality that sells houses. Kinda like house-porn.
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Feb 11, 2016 10:22:02   #
Good suggestion, thanks

robertjerl wrote:
You are welcome.
A possible compromise.
Simple one click solutions to some of the problems without getting a degree in photography and/or Post Processing.
I took your picture of the kitchen, imported it to Light Room (other programs also do this, I used LR) and corrected for the verticals only. Horizontal would have resulted in the software trying to make those counter edges the horizon.
Sorry I cropped the bottom, when I exported from LR I forgot to turn off my copyright and signature. Fastest correction but still show the vertical correction was a quick crop.
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Feb 10, 2016 17:16:28   #
Do both! I think that is the answer :-)



burkphoto wrote:
More is better. When we were shopping for a house, 18 months ago, the average was 16 photos per listing. Ours had almost 30... If there's an important feature, cover it from several angles and perspectives. Let 'em drool a bit!
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Feb 10, 2016 16:00:25   #
You got it; thanks. A small half bath is an easy call, either don't photograph or shoot from overhead and live with the results. A Buyer would like to know what the bathroom looks like so I choose to include the photo. But other rooms are not such an easy call and many may agree with mallen1330 on how best to handle it.

The photo to the left is from a property that I marketed in early 2013. This was with my old camera Samsung TL500, 1/1.7 sensor size, 24 mm. MLS had a 640 x 480 size restriction at that time. We are evaluating composition, not image quality. The photo to the right was when the property returned to market last June, 1280 x 960 now allowed, and marketed by a big firm. This photo is obviously about tripod level and is much wider than 24mm. It does a nice job of showing the window views of adjoining breakfast room and living room, has better vertical perspective, but my opinion, does not very well show the granite countertop and the nice wooden cabinetry. It may be a better composition of the overall house but not such a good capture of the kitchen, my opinion.

Perhaps there is a place for both. Perhaps that is the answer to my question :-) what is gained? answer: choice.

That's it! Thanks!


robertjerl wrote:
The two of you are talking at each other, not to each other.

texashill is a real estate salesmen with a specific goal and wanted tips on getting better pictures, for his needs. He knows what he needs and wants, he just wants info on how to improve without becoming a master photographer.

mallen1330 is giving information for optimizing the photos as if the photos are the end product.


Not all uses of photos need to be the absolute best in all ways. Exp texashill doesn't need all the verticals etc to be perfect, he needs the photos to show what is there in a fairly high IQ.

I understand that, long ago I was on a field school in geography and anthropology. I was the camera nut in the group. I got assigned to read the book on field photography and give a one day class on using photography in the field. The photos did not need to be great photographic art. They needed to be exposed properly and sharp to show what was there. A record for study by academics. That is what I taught them. Good exposure and focus (manual 35 mm cameras in the early 1970s), include the items of interest. I never even mentioned composition etc. Wasn't needed.
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Feb 10, 2016 14:18:53   #
Like I stated previously, I am not a professional photographer but I am a professional house presenter. This property is a Fannie Mae foreclosure that was lived in HARD :-) It has holes, it has stains, it needs repair. An Investor will purchase and I want him to see. A tripod in a half bath will miss the toilet - that is true - and will literally miss everything else. Buyers are more interested in what is offered for purchase than "correct vertical perspective". I come here looking for advice on how to improve image quality but, trust me, I know what is best to put in the frame.


mallen1330 wrote:
Thanks for fixing your website link...

Looking at the photos of the one listing on your site, I'm afraid that I cannot agree that your photos are better than the "pros".

IMHO, your selection of what features to photograph -- (holes in walls, hot water tanks), your perspective -- looking down from on high with distorted perspective (some look as though the camera is almost touching the ceiling), your bath photos looking down at the toilet -- all do not do justice to the property. Upgrading your equipment (other than a tripod and a couple off-camera flashes) will not help.

My number one suggestion: Even if you don't use a tripod, hold your camera at just above waist level -- midway between floor and ceiling and hold it level for correct vertical perspective (parallel verticals). You can fix slight convergence in PP.

If I have not completely offended you, I would be happy to provide even more suggestions.

I would also be happy to provide help with your website design.

:-)
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Feb 10, 2016 11:45:46   #
I see, thanks. Sorry for the confusion. 4/3 is what I entered to find the camera on dpreview. 1.5 is not one of the search options.

Your reply is very helpful and confirms what I have been thinking before posing the question. I spent about $800 for this camera but it seems to have capability, for my use, of a camera costing much more. I already knew that the sensor size was comparable but what I didn't know was how comparable is the lens quality. It seems counter intuitive that my previous supposition would be true. Since these interchangeable lens cost so much, one would suppose that a great benefit would be derived. Also, it makes me wonder why no similar camera with a full frame is not available. It makes me wonder why sales and critical review of Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II is not better.

I market a lot of property that is of mid and low value. It is not feasible to hire a photographer and furthermore MY PHOTOS ARE BETTER :-) My photos are better than the vast majority of realtors who use a cell phone or some other inferior camera. Arguably, my photos are better than the pros who do the multimillion dollar property. The pros put a DSLR on a tripod, often times with a wider than 24 mm lens. They do a great job of exposing shadow. They do a great job of exposing a beautiful lake view through a window while simultaneously properly exposing the interior of the room. But its all from tripod level. The best photo, my opinion, of a nice granite kitchen counter top is from way over my head shooting down while framing with tilting LCD. The best view of a living room is not a 18 mm shot from a tripod that highlights a foreground piece of furniture or foreground flooring. Yes, it makes the room look larger but the distortion is so great that, my opinion, Buyers discount and are not fooled. Many of these presentations use the wide angle on exterior shots; highlighting foreground grass or foreground driveway leaving the house somewhat de emphasized.

About a year and a half ago, I received what I feel like was good advice on the forum from poster, Armadillo, on how to handle the common situation of the beautiful window view in the bright window in the less bright room.

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-230015-3.html#3879811

But I still don't think that I have quite the capability shown in the multimillion presentations. Superior composition, yes; but not quite the image quality. Of course a few years ago, I wouldn't even try to match these presentations. When I was using the point and shoot Cannon S70 it wasn't even an issue. I'm just a realtor not a photographer, the MLS degraded the photos anyway, no one expected a DSLR, I was still superior.

But now, MLS systems have improved and if a realtor presents a good photo the online viewer gets to see it. And so I plan my next move. I am happy with my Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II and I am even happier with it after interacting with all of you wonderful folks on this forum. I don't want to give up my tilting/articulating view finder even if it means that I must give up some image quality horsepower. I believe that the Sony A7 is the just about the only option that offers both increased sensor size and proper view finder. But is the upgrade worth it? I thought that perhaps the ability to use interchangeable lenses would be part of the answer. So for, I think not. Perhaps in the next year other cameras will become available. The market seems to have rejected cameras such as Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II. I suppose that robertjerl provided the answer: I only do one type of photography so a 24-120mm works for me but most desire to use other lenses.

Thanks to everyone :-)




Kuzano wrote:
You threw us off a bit when you mentioned you had a 4/3 camera. 4/3 sensors are not in the P&S realm. Camera's with 4/3 sensors (actually micro 4/3 mirrorless) already have interchangeable lenses. Olympus and Panasonic are the only mfrs using the original 4/3 and micro 4/3 sensor.

The sensor in your camera is similarly sized to the 4/3 sensor.

Interestingly, the camera you do have was upgraded to a sensor that is just slightly larger than a 4/3 sensor, but otherwise the camera is the previous G series Canon, and is fixed lens, which you clarified by telling us the actual camera halfway through this thread.

You cleared the air on that when you indicated you have a fixed lens with a 1.5 sensor.

With that in mind, some of the posts made to your question have been off the mark a bit.

Wondering at this point if you are still confused by the potentially erroneous information.

So, to clarify.... there are "bridge" camera's out there that can very likely give you superb image quality with what you have, particularly for the market you are using your camera in. Your camera falls more easily into a Bridge Camera category, but with a bit larger sensor than most bridge models. The sensor is the camera's strong suit. I am going to link the conclusion page on your camera's review at DPreview, a well known an popular camera review site, at the end of this post.

Yes, larger sensors and interchangeable lenses add flexibility to the process, but they also add complexity to the craft of photography. The question is, how much time and money do you want to invest to become a more proficient photographer, or do you want to simply take good enough images to increase your income from selling/brokering Real Estate.

The first is photography and the second is "marketing" Real Estate.

It's quite likely that if you learn more about the craft of photography, and as much as possible about the camera you now own, you will be able to enhance your images to be as good as what you see from others in your business.

I was confused at first on your post, and only began to understand your confusion upon finally finding out what camera you do own. Not a 4/3. A 4/3 sensor camera... Olympus or Panasonic with the ability to change lenses would be an excellent option for you.

However, the camera you now have may do you just as well purely for the reason you seem to want to upgrade your skills. Not necessarily your equipment.

The review at DPreview:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong1x

I generally go to the Conclusion page for the summary by DPreview, but this is their whole review.
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Feb 9, 2016 18:00:37   #
I see. Thanks :-)


robertjerl wrote:
You do one type of photography so one lens works for you. As long as it is the right lens.

If besides real estate you also were into photography for a hobby or side business you would quickly find why multiple lenses become useful. Yet still some people get by just fine with a fixed zoom of high quality.

But to name a few, a high speed lens for indoor sports, a macro lens for very small subjects that need very high definition and magnification and of course very long lenses for those birds and other distant subjects (often distant and small) and last, very high definition lenses and sensors for large prints as opposed to real estate brochures or net pages neither of which are really high def media.
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Feb 9, 2016 17:34:56   #
birdpix wrote:
The single biggest factor in RE photography is lighting.


I like to use a lot of post processing fill light for difficult interior shots. My Canon PowerShot G1 X Mark II with 1.5&#8243; sensor gives me much better capability with shadows than my previous smaller sensored cameras and makes me speculate that a full frame sensor would be even better. Presently, the Sony Alpha 7 series, S would be my choice, combines a full frame sensor with titling view finder capability.

Such a camera would force me into the world of interchangeable lenses :-)
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