Thanks, SS. I get that. EC doesn't function in manual because of course you would make changes directly to your SS or aperture. The EC scale still shows in bottom of the viewfinder though, and the pointer becomes an active light meter in Manual Mode, moving along the scale depending on the amount of light the camera detects that would hit your sensor, relative to your settings. This all sounds more complicated than it actually is. Ai!

Let me try this again. In the old 7D and on the 5DIII, the exposure compensation scale is located at the bottom of the viewfinder. An semi-automatic modes (aperture and shutter preferred modes), it has a pointer that indicates how much, if any, exposure compensation you have dialed in. In Manual Mode, the pointer becomes active and acts as a light meter, indicating whether the camera thinks your Manual Settings will yield a balanced exposure. I didn't mean to imply that I thought the camera did not have a light meter at all, but according to this person's review possibly that the exposure compensation scale did not convert to an active light meter in Manual Mode. PaulR01 posted: With the 7Dii you can not manually change the exposure control in manual mode. Exposure is automatically adjusted for you. This makes no sense to me. Nothing is automatically adjusted for you in Manual Mode. Bebulamar suggested I read the manual. If I had the camera I'd read the manual. I could download the manual but I was out and about and just posting a quick question. Thanks Sharpshooter. Yes, it seemed weird to me too. I have no idea what he was talking about. I'll just go to the store and try it. Yeah, the exposure scale light meter is a sophisticated illuminated version of the old bouncy needles.

That makes sense.

Hm.

Mude=Mode. Oops.

Reading a customer review of the 7DII; said Canon had removed the light meter(??). Doesn't the exposure compensation scale still act as light meter in manual mode? Thanks.

I think I know that arrangement of yours (I go back a few years on this forum) and I've always admired it. Is it marketed?

I have the 5DIII. I'm wondering if the IV is all that much better in the larger scheme of things. The 5DIII was benchmark for years and is still holding a good price, I notice. The IV is faster. Don't care, not shooting sports. The sensor has more pixels. Well, the 1Ds are still under 20. What am I missing? I think I'd probably get the 7DII for a second body.

And thank you for commenting.

Thank you! That's what I hear. [big grin]

Epilogue: Passed on the 400 IS II DO. I bought the older EF 500mm f/4 IS for now. Soon to be followed by the 100-400 IS II with the 1.4x and the 5DIV. Thanks for all of your great comments.

Thank you very much RickL.

I was in aperture preferred mode, expecting to be shooting ground shots. Just happened to catch the osprey in time to start firing. Or, the other answer is, I didn't think. :)

I was out looking for early warblers and caught this osprey out the corner of my eye. Grainy. 5DIII, ISO 800, ridiculously high shutter speed 1/8000. I was just firing at will hoping for the best. I wondered about the grain. Original and crop. Thanks for looking

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I'm sure they were just exasperated by my dunderheadedness and said it to shut me up. But the answer is very logical. I just wonder why no one was able to simply state it.