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May 13, 2015 16:47:54   #
Delderby wrote:
How can one man own another? And what has that issue to do with WW11? As a Brit I shall be ever grateful for the contribution to victory made by the descendants of American "Slaves"


Very good questions, in particular the 2nd one. My apologies for getting so far off target.
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May 13, 2015 16:41:31   #
Architect1776 wrote:
Same old slave crap. Read about the slave issue at the time, read Jefferson's and Adam's letters among other founders and the debates. You have a huge lack of understanding of the history of the founding. you seem to be a product of the hate America first mentality permeating the academic world. I got my degrees later in life after serving this nation. But I read many books on the founding, the signers biographies, the federalist papers and many other writings in those years. I am not an educated historian or have credentials but I can think and see and understand the concepts presented.
Same old slave crap. Read about the slave issue at... (show quote)


Not sure why acknowledging that slavery existed means I hate America but in any case the exchange seems pointless. I hope you enjoy your photography.
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May 13, 2015 11:38:03   #
Architect1776 wrote:
No nation prior to the USA actually combined all these principles and concepts into one constitution and set of laws to live under. I believe that was the point trying to be made. And I do challenge you to show where in Greece, Rome, Italian city states, the Dutch republic or English law where all these concepts have come together in one nation. I believe I mentioned that the founders were well read and knew of these forms of government. They took those concepts and formed a unique government with power to the people and a freedom before unknown. The first 2 amendments are prime examples of what these other societies were lacking. The other 8 also were items they saw as lacking elsewhere.
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Actually the posting I quoted doesn't include the qualifications you're making. I'll grant for the sake of argument that the combination was new, although I don't think the first and second amendments reflected what was lacking elsewhere, just things that hadn't been specified in the original constitution.

I'd also observe the great irony (one word for it) that the free country thus formed had a significant slave population underpinning much of the economy. (If I remember correctly, slaves were quite happy to escape to the British lines during the Revolution, and Washington was PO'd that the Brits wouldn't return the slave owners' "property" when they left.) This doesn't negate the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution (although I think the 3/5ths clause is a stain), but I do think it's rather difficult to claim that special innocence and virtue expressed by claims of "American Exceptionalism".

To get back a little closer to the original topic, we fight our wars because of our perceived self-interest. This is as it should be, but we shouldn't pretend that our motives are selfless.
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May 13, 2015 10:17:41   #
boberic wrote:
So in your view the US is not exceptional. Here are just a few reasons why we are. The US invented A free, civil society. Prior to the US EVERY country was headed by a monarchy(even the "Indian tribes were under the rule of the chief"} This concept of elected leaders was unknown prior to the US. Free speech, freedom of religion, a free press, Independent courts, Were unknown prior to the US. Property ownership, wasa new concept, just a few exceptional concepts. If you or any one else doesn't like it here you are free to leave and try to find a more exceptional country. (In some "exceptional" countries} citizens are excecuted if they return once they have tried ti leve.
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There's so much factually wrong with this that it's impossible to know where to start. None of those ideas was born with the US and the idea of republican (non-monarchical) government goes back to.... hmm, the Dutch Republic? the Swiss Confederation? the Italian city states? the Roman Republic? The Greek city-states?

Acknowledging history is not the same thing as denigrating the United States. Amusingly enough, you're demonstrating the kind of thinking you find in fascist and communist dictatorships.
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May 13, 2015 10:03:25   #
Delderby wrote:
But it would not have been much later. The allies were already heading for Germany via Italy, with battle hardened troops from North Africa. Hitler was finished the moment his Luftwaffe was decimated in the Battle of Britain.


The trouble is changing only part of the equation. No invasion of Russia? Stalin is a neutral and anxious not to irritate the Germans. The German economy is enormously stronger since they have all of Central and Western Europe except GB (but who knows?) plus a cooperative trading partner. There's a reasonably good chance that the Brits vote Churchill out of office and make a deal to keep their empire. If you assume instead that Germany beats Russia in 1941, then the set up isn't all that much different, but I think it would be even more likely that Britain would make peace on the basis of you keep Europe and we'll keep the empire. The Japanese might decide to initiate a war in the Pacific, but they might not. Would the US have continued rearming? How about investing $2 billion in the Manhattan Project? Another government boondoggle.

Or it all could have gone in completely different directions--we have no way to tell. It would be a very different world as of December 1940 when Hitler makes the firm decision NOT to invade Russia, or December 11, 1941, when he decides NOT to declare war on the US, or as of.....
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May 12, 2015 17:55:03   #
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jerryc41 wrote:
The U. S. A. and England say they won the war, not even considering Russia. Russia says that it won what it calls The Great Patriotic War, not acknowledging the participation of the other Allies. Maybe they feel so strongly about this because they lost 26,000,000 people. Would Germany have been defeated on the same schedule if any one of the Big Three had not been involved? Definitely not.


It is a sad commentary of the apologists speaking out against the USA.There have been mistakes yes. But with thousands of lives sacrificed by the USA how much new territory have we gained this last century? How many people were enslaved and murdered at the end of WWII by the benevolent Soviets. How many people were enslaved and murdered by the enlightened Chinese? Both Communist dictatorships. Yes it is too bad those evil communists were held in check after the war to the extent they were. We could all be in acommunist utopia today if it were not for the USA.
Argue all you want the USA won the war. Yes Hitler did make mistakes but the Soviets would have fallen under combined Japanese and German onslaughts. I had a next door neighbor who was a close friend of Hitler until he said something wrong. He was impeisioned but his wealthy family bought his way out and he escaped to the USA. I learned alot of interesting first hand history from this man. Including his working on 3 masted sailing ships.
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No one has defended the Soviet or Communist Chinese regimes or mentioned a communist utopia. The discussion has been about the relative role of the US or US/UK and the Soviet Union in defeating Nazi Germany. There was no combined German/Japanese onslaught on Russia because the Japanese were busy in China and had gotten beaten by the Russians in 1939. We did not have a significant impact on the ground war at least until November of 1942 and the strategic bombing campaign didn't have much impact until the following year.

It helped the Russians to have us fighting, and it helped us to have them fighting. The senior US commanders were concerned to keep Russia fighting and worried that they might make a separate peace since every German they killed or captured was one that we didn't have to kill or capture. If you think that didn't make any difference, consider that there was exactly one regular German infantry division on the Normandy beaches and that was at Omaha where we came close to disaster. The rest were troops physically unfit for service in the east or Red army soldiers who had been captured and taken into German service.

We can and should balance things by noting the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact of 1939 that made the war possible and not allow the Russians to claim that we somehow let them down or didn't pull our own weight. But claiming that the US won on its own is both foolish and pointless.
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May 12, 2015 10:37:26   #
Architect1776 wrote:
The Soviets would not have been able to tie up the Germans had the USA not come to their rescue earlier in the war. Also as was stated the USA drew Japanese troops of the eastern frontier freeing up the Soviet transfer of troops to the west. On another note we were never repaid after the war except by some small country who I forget the name of. All others once the war was over told us to pound sand and to this day owe war debts plus interest.


When? They stopped the Germans in 1941 without our aid and they hadn't received very much by the time of Stalingrad. We didn't draw Japanese troops away--the Japanese had gotten a bloody nose in 1939 and decided it made more sense to move south rather than east in 1941. If anyone tied up Japanese troops (as opposed to the Japanese Navy) it was the Chinese, not the Americans. Our aid to Russia was most useful from 1943 on and mainly supported the counter offensives.

Our main military contributions to the eastern front came from the impact of the Anglo-American bombing campaign from 1943 onward and eventually the need to fight on the ground in the west in 1944 (you might want to compare Operation Bagration, aka the destruction of Army Group Center, with what was going in France that summer). In any case, the campaign in the west would have been enormously more difficult if we had had to face the German troops tied down or already killed or captured in the east.

Off hand I would say that the aid we did provide Russia was a pretty good investment--it helped them kill Germans--and hardly worth worrying about.
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May 12, 2015 09:49:53   #
Robin Poole wrote:
If the Russians hadn't tied up about140 German divisions Normandy might not have occurred or many more troops would have been required. Hitler"lost " the war when he invaded Russia. He thought it would be a push over, Germany would win by the Fall of that year. and only ordered enough winter clothing and supplies for 50,000 troops. The General Staff didn't want a second front but Hitler knew more than they did, in his arrogant opinion and so they got it. He also lost the Air War for the Luftwaffe. Thought the ME262 ought to be a bomber, not a fighter. Production was held off for over a year. That's another discussion.
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I think the problem was less with the amount of winter clothing than with the difficulty of getting it forward because of transportation difficulties and the need to get ammunition etc. up as well. We had a similar problem in 1944--we focused on ammo and fuel in hopes of ending the war in the fall. It meant that US troops didn't have proper winter combat uniforms until pretty late.
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May 11, 2015 09:22:22   #
Okay, I'm a Patriots fan and a rule is a rule, but this whole thing is pretty silly. On the evidence of the AFC Championship either the infraction was irrelevant or the Pats should really be charged with point shaving (17 points with under inflated balls and 28 points with proper inflation).

It's a professional game with serious betting going on, not sandlot football where you can't play until the guy who owns the ball shows up. If the air pressure made any difference then the refs would control the balls at all times and not follow the current ritual.
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May 1, 2015 09:46:17   #
Federal troops had the city locked down? Not unless they federalized the Boston city police force and those of various suburbs.
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Mar 19, 2015 09:58:32   #
Bridges wrote:
I believe this is one of the things prophesized in the Bible. Just consider that 2000 years ago there was no knowledge of electricity, batteries, circuits, implants, or anything that would allow the transfer of money or goods and be capable of maintaining a balance of accounts. I believe it is the beginning of the end. I'm not saying the end is near, I'm only pointing out one more piece of the puzzle has been put in place.


There was quite a bit they didn't know about--including banks, double entry bookkeeping, vaccination, the internal combustion engine, gunpowder, iron plows, stirrups, etc, etc, etc. The writers of the New Testament (and apparently Jesus himself) thought they were near the end of time. Since they were wrong (unless you give a really extended meaning to 'near'), people have been finding signs that the end really is near this time ever since. There are reasons to find implanted micro chips pretty creepy, but I don't think they have any relationship to the Bible.
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Feb 23, 2015 13:58:29   #
Kuzano wrote:
Reports indicate (if you look closely) that the Chinese and the Russians may already be one generation ahead of the F35.


Could you specify what this means? Radar and counter measures? Stealth? Weapons? Engines? Something else?
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Feb 23, 2015 09:50:04   #
I have the T1i and this Christmas I got a G16 and S120 for travel (the S120 for when you really don't want any bulk). For your purposes I'd look at the G16 first. Since you specified that you didn't want a touch screen I don't think you'd like the S120. Incidentally, G16 has a "real" viewfinder which was part of its attraction, but it's not that good and I find I almost always use the LCD for framing.
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Feb 23, 2015 09:40:41   #
Does anyone here remember the FB-111? It was essentially the same idea as the F-35--one plane to do everything (love the FB designation) and designed from the start for both the navy and the air force. It didn't work very well. The navy never took any of them. The air force bought a few as bombers. Whenever I see anything on the F-35 it sounds like the same deal -- very advanced in some ways but too many compromises. Of course times change, technology advances, etc., but I suspect that the concept itself is mistaken.
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