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Aug 8, 2023 08:50:01   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Actually, you have no idea of the storm that is coming Biden's way because your media lies to you be it outright or through omission just as they did with Fitch's credit downgrade, the impeachment will be timed as are Trump's trials in order to grab headlines during the heat of the presidential campaign.


Wait...the media lied by omission about her credit downgrade? I knew of it through the media amd so dod the did traders. Not a very effective lie, was it?
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Jul 23, 2023 13:12:12   #
Effate wrote:
Firstly, I would never attempt to justify any form of slavery. It is a stain on the history of any nation who enslaved fellow humans but it seems to me this curriculum is being taken out of context by many on the left. The curriculum was developed by two African American PhD s (I suppose they should be considered Oreo cookies or tools of white supremacists).



Do you have a link?
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Jul 23, 2023 11:25:40   #
Effate wrote:
We are talking about an oversight hearing not a court of law. The purpose being to provide oversight on the various branches of government. Technically no one is on trial but each committee member has a chance to examine the witnesses so when the party opposing the hearing because their guy or institutions are under the microscope have the microphone and they choose to ask questions germane to the proceedings rather than an attempt to politically grandstand that can be/is cross examination. As to the witnesses, they are both career federal agents under oath. I am not an attorney but you and I both know their (unimpeached) testimony does not require corroboration. It would be up to the trier of fact to determine credibility or what weight to lend to the testimony.

Excuse my ambiguity but I thought you would know I was referring to the statutes of limitation. I guess I have always, as many in the media, shortcut the phrase as I assumed the term was more broadly used and understood. I do understand vagueness and ambiguity would be objectionable in a court of law.
We are talking about an oversight hearing not a co... (show quote)

Believe what you are trying to say is that fact witnesses need not be subject to any scrutiny at all, as you appear to be presenting the testimony of one side as the ultimate truth. I disagree with this tyoe f thinking regardless of in an oversight hearing or a court of law.

The weakest form of evidence is the uncorroborated word of anyone, whether under oath or not. By your standards, there is no point of putting Congressional witnesses under oath at all. After all, they said it so it must be true.

Do you believe whole hog any witnesses on the other side? I don't.
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Jul 23, 2023 11:10:46   #
Rose42 wrote:
Link?


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-florida-standards-teach-black-people-benefited-slavery-taught-usef-rcna95418
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Jul 23, 2023 11:03:03   #
Effate wrote:
Not a done deal (although may be academic) until the judge accepts the plea deal and he is sentenced.


I understand that the prosecutor says the investigation is ongoing and the defense counsel says the matter is closed.

I think there may be further investigations not involving taxes or guns.
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Jul 23, 2023 10:56:36   #
DennyT wrote:
The lyrics ;

Sucker punch somebody on a sidewalk
Carjack an old lady at a red light
Pull a gun on the owner of a liquor store
Ya think it's cool, well, act a fool if ya like
Cuss out a cop, spit in his face
Stomp on the flag and light it up
Yeah, ya think you're tough
Well, try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don't
Try that in a small town
Got a gun that my granddad gave me
They say one day they're gonna round up
Well, that shit might fly in the city, good luck
Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don't
Try that in a small town
Full of good ol' boys, raised up right
If you're looking for a fight
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don't
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town
Ooh-ooh
Try that in a small town
The lyrics ; br br Sucker punch somebody on a sid... (show quote)


Wonder why no lyric abut opioid addiction. Try that in a small town.


Oh wait...
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Jul 23, 2023 10:47:29   #
DaveO wrote:
Den, why must you communicate a valid thought and then muck it up with the left/right partisan bs? It just doesn't make sense. Just sayin'...


The other thing that does not make sense is the persistent use of feminized nicknames. Most of us grew out of that by the sixth grade.

It certainly is a tell. Of what I am not sure, but I do have some theories...
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Jul 23, 2023 02:54:39   #
scooter1 wrote:
What you need to do is look at all the things you mention with unbiased eyes. Read about everything and you will see the difference between how Hunter was treated as opposed to you or I. It really is one law for the elites and one for us peons.

I don't think there is anything biased in my recounting the actual history of right wing investigations. I note that you do not take issue with any of the history as I have recounted it. That history would lead any fair-minded person to be skeptical of this sort of thing.

You said I should "read everything" but I suspect that what you mean is that I should read everything that you believe whether or not it crosses any credibility threshold. Neither of us have "read everything. You do not have direct access to all the evidence ad neither do I. You were not party the negotiations that led to the plea deal and neither was I. Also, you have chosen to ignore what the Trump-appointed prosecutor and to say in favor of the Fever Swamp of right wing media. Asking me to be unbiased us a pretty big ask coming from you.

The obsession with Hunter Biden is an example of not knowing the difference between what you believe and what you know. Fir example, I believe that Donald Trump is a criminal. But I do not know that. If there is a conviction of on any of the charges, then that belief will become knowledge. If he is acquitted on all counts, then that belief will remain only a belief. See the difference?

Here is what we both now abut the Hunter affair: there was an investigation led by a Trump-appointed prosecuter and a plea deal was reached. You don't like the deal and I have no opinion. All the rest is speculation, opinion and belief being presented as unassailable fact.

This is a breakdown of critical thinking snd more than an amplification of what you already believe.
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Jul 22, 2023 17:27:15   #
Effate wrote:
Both IRS investigators testified under oath that several hundred thousand owed/unreported for 2014and2015 but the statutes were allowed to run. They also testified they were prevented from searching a storage facility that they believed contained germane records and that Hunter’s attorneys were tipped off.


Based on my several years investigating whistle blower complaints in Corporate America, I still have some questions:

"Owed/unreported" what? Tax returns? Still not clear what you mean by "statutes were allowed to run". Statute of Limitations issue?

Was this testimony ever corroborated? Was the testimony ever submitted to cross-X? What has the investigative team said in response? Not trying to be difficult, but these are some of the ways proffered evidence is tested for credibility. This is how we get from allegation to proof.

If you would provide some links, it could help me understand the points you are trying to make.
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Jul 22, 2023 16:16:19   #
Racmanaz wrote:
Nobody believes your lying Lefty BS excuse, you believed Trump colluded with Russia and everybody knows it, you are partisan.


Thanks for telling me what I believe. Back it up with a link.

You should try to get the attention you crave from someone else, but you will not get it from me. Try Mommie.

Game over, little troll.
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Jul 22, 2023 15:07:43   #
Racmanaz wrote:
lol you were such a hypocritical fraud. With all these so-called evidence against Trump, when it came to the Russia, collusion conspiracy, you didn’t question it, you believed it even before any indictment of Trump, which none came from it.

When it came to Russia, I always said lets said let's see where the evidence leads. And you have no idea what I actually said, do you little troll? Or if you do, then you are a guttersnipe little liar. Provide a link.
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Jul 22, 2023 15:02:38   #
Effate wrote:
Five years and 3 misdemeanors is my point. Slow rolling ‘14 and ‘15 to let the statutes run and many feel he is not getting what Joe public would catch on the gun beef.

As far as the historical success of oversight type committees we both know on both sides they are political dog and pony shows.


Wasn't that investigation led my a Special Prosecutor appointed by Trump? Remember, the special prosecutor function is designed to be independent of political influence.

"Many feel" is not evidence. In any case, "Many feel" Hunter got exactly what any other person would have received--if not more, and that's not evidence either.

Please explain what you mean by low rolling ‘14 and ‘15 to let the statutes run".
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Jul 22, 2023 12:34:48   #
Effate wrote:
Sounds like you are making a tree falling in the forrest argument. Are you arguing that short of an indictment that crime hasn’t been committed and there can be no evidence of the same? A bigger concern for me in this whole equation isn’t getting Hunter or even Joe, it’s the appearance of impropriety, the enthusiasm the DOJ/FBI employs in the investigation of certain individuals vs. others, disparate treatment.


No but I do not take as evidence right wing media hyperventilating. I am all for honest investigations, but I see so far are unsubstantiated allegations. But let's
review the actual track record of recent right wing investigations:

--After five years investigating Hunter resulted in three of misdemeanors.

--The much anticipated Dunham investigation which resulted in three indictments, and only one conviction (and that was a pretty chump change affair, given the effort that went into the investigation.

--Gal Luft (the missing witness of the House Oversight Committee), who when, when found turned out he was on the lam running from his own indictment. No wonder he was on the lam.

--And of course, Benghazi that turning up zip after years of investigation. Fun fact: My Kevin even admitted that the whole Benghazi thing was political.

Impressive track record, right? And just as a thought experiment, compare that track record with Jack Smith. m\My money is on Smith, but that's just me.

What caught my eye was the title of the thread. How much evidence is enough? Still a fair question that MAGA Nation should be asking itself. But if you can't tell the difference between allegations and evidence, this is where you will find yourself.

When there are indictments, I will pat attention. While the walls close in on Criminal Defendant Trump, the right wing noise machine will do what it does: generate noise. And right wing noise will not help him now.
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Jul 22, 2023 07:21:05   #
scooter1 wrote:
https://patriotalerts.com/2023/07/huge-secret-fbi-biden-bribery-file-released/


I will pay attention when there is an indictment.

In the meantime, this is a question everyone in Trump Town should answer. Because, you know, there are indictments.
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Jul 22, 2023 07:13:48   #
Huey Driver wrote:
From a friend

As they say where I'm from: Nothing to be learned from the second kick of a mule.
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