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Dec 4, 2018 16:11:49   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Thanks everyone for the replies! I have a better understanding about testing batteries now.

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Dec 4, 2018 16:14:09   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
Before battery testers, I used to use a crazy arrangement that I called the "impedometer" to test nicads. I would use a power supply with current limiting and set the current at about 10 times the mAh rating, then put clip leads across the battery briefly and measure the voltage. If the voltage was above a certain level, the battery was bad. It worked, and I never blew up a battery.

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Dec 4, 2018 18:29:46   #
TomV Loc: Annapolis, Maryland
 
aphelps wrote:
Open circuit voltage or even resistor load ed voltage can be misleading. The best way to evaluate is by using a charger/discharger that measures mAh in both the discharge and recharge cycle. As that value decreases over time you will have a better idea of replacement.


I agree totally. A smart charger is the preferred method with the new technology in batteries. A voltmeter/resistor does not cut it today.

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Dec 4, 2018 22:08:26   #
Dick B
 
If testing 1.5 V cells one at a time I'd suggest a 10 to 20 ohm 1/2 or 1 watt resistor. The ideal technique would be to measure the voltage with no resistor and then switch the resistor in circuit in parallel with the battery and tested/voltmeter. I've built tester that do this with a push-button switch to add the resistor into circuit. First measure the no load voltage. The actual voltage will depend on both the chemistry of battery ( alkaline, ni-cad, n-mh etc ) and it's charge state. Note that voltage, and push the button to add the load resistor the key measurement is how much does the voltage change. Weak cells will show .35 V or more drop. As others have noted the actual current that your flash draws is a variable that depends on both the batteries in use and the state of charge on flash capacitor, and you probably DO NOT want to test at that very high current as it introduces significant measurement problems with your test leads and contact resistance.

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Dec 4, 2018 22:49:59   #
clinnon
 
Harbor Freight has a simple multimeter that will tell the current draw for 1.5 and 9 volt batteries. It sells for $5.99 but is often offered for free with a purchase (coupon required). Here is the link to the meter.
https://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-digital-multimeter-63604.html

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Dec 5, 2018 01:09:53   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
I go through many hundreds of batteries per year- it's crazy! Just about everything in my studio is electronic or uses electronic accessories. It seems to get worse every year. Some of the equipment uses ordinary disposable batteries, othere use rechargeables and some have those newfangled super-high tech batteries that one needs a degree in electronic engineering to understand.

So... of course I do have my handy battery tester that can test most ordinary alkaline batteries etc. of a variety of voltages under load and the load is adjustable as to the usage- not bad for a no-name meter that I purchased 20 years ago from my battery supplier. It works well and gives me a pretty good idea of battery condition and what I coud expect from any given battery. I did, at one time "calibrate" it to a more precise voltmeter so I have some idea of the actual voltage drops as the regular batteries diminish and expire.

As for rechargeable batteries- I have every manner of those things in my flash gear. Some are Nicads, othere are sealed lead-acid batteries. I have all kinds of chargers to accommodate each type of battery. So...at one time I wanted to monitor battery charging rates with a milliampere meter in series with the charger to insure proper charging rates, maxamize flashes per charge and extend eventual life- longevity of the batteries. With 10 portable units, a bunch of speedlights and a drawer full of radio slaves, exposure meters and camera batteries this started to become a kinda full-time job. Our dead battery bucket was filling up at an alarming rate.

Most importantly, I did no want batteries to unceremoniously drop dead right in the midst of an important job- and usually at the most inopportune times. So here are my preventative remedies.

With speedlights I just keep lots of spare batteries and on long jobs like weddings and events, I change them long before the are likely to die. On some of my units I created a 4 AA cell substitution pack made of wooden dowels, metal wood screws and wire. I place this device in the battery compartment of the speedlights and wire it to a home-made belt pack containing a sealed lead acid battery, 1- 6 volt battery, costing about 30 bucks, will deliver hundreds of full power flashes per charge and last about 2 to 3 years in continuous operation. No more tons of AA cells on long gigs. I have automatic chargers for theses batteries that automatically go to trickle charge when the battery is fully charged. Since theses batteries do drop a bit of voltage as they discharge, the recycling times slows down a bit and I know when it's time to change the pack- they won't drop dead without warning.

In my Lumadyne (bigger more powerful portables) I have replaced all of the expensive Nicads with theses sealed lead acid batteries of the same voltage and ampere/hour rating as the originals. A replacement set of originals costs about $200. the substitutes set me me back $40 each for a 12 volt battery.

Even with all my previous fussing and testing and my converted units, I have found by experience that even the best batteries, the best chargers and the best electronic gear can get "funny" and malfunction so the best bet is to carry plenty of spares. Used to be if you camera battery died the only thing that would go down was the metering system. Even film camera with electronic shutters had one mechanical speed that could get you through a job- not anymore. If the battery fails the entire camera goes down with it so the only solution on long jobs is plenty of backup.

Used to call the battery industry the "battery industry"- not anymore it's now ENERGY STORAGE! I get newsletters with all kids of specification and news of the advancements MORE SOPHISTICATED! Truly enough, there are some great inventions, innovations advancements and incredible minaturizations. Sometimes, however, the more sophisticated and complex things get, the more problematic they become. I have no time to run an electronics lab in my studio so I stick to simple batteries, lots of spares, reliable chargers and my beaten up old battery tester. I hate the smell of burning phenolic and overheated batteries so I try to keep the gear in good repair.

Our dead battery bucket goes to a safe disposal site every two months. Maybe we shoud have a ceremony!

See pictures of the meter and my battery conversion thing.


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Dec 5, 2018 02:44:06   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
We really have become reliant on batteries. In my house I now have a battery charging station with about 20 different types of chargers and it is a major job keeping everything up-to-date. When I buy anything that uses a battery the first thing I do is check what battery chemistry is being used. If NiCd (and the damn things are still out there - blame manufacturers trying to keep THEIR costs down at YOUR expense, Remington, Braun etc) then the first thing that happens is the NiCd gets changed to NiMnH. Some of these are challenges. Then anything that uses a 9v has it replaced with 6 x AAs which last 6 times longer for the same cost (in smoke detectors you almost get the shelf life from the cells). Fortunately I don't have to worry about keeping batteries and flash systems working. We always have plenty of camera batteries so have never been embarrassed by running out of those. Any other photographic accessory using batteries has multiple spares.
My power tools always have adapters made so the later batteries (especially if I change models) will work in earlier tools - that is also a challenge but so far I have managed it. I can now replicate bike lights etc very quickly and I have a constant preventative maintenance schedule for LiOH cells as used in torches.
And I do enjoy the challenges in making up packs etc (very fortunate for me I suppose). I used to wonder how others coped but have since learned that they just go without until they can buy another one (appliance or tool not a battery pack).
My first major hiccup was when my B&D (18V NiCd) tools needed new batteries. I was able to buy 3rd party 18v NiMnh but even they dried up (but they did last twice as long and had more grunt while doing so plus held charge longer - anybody still using NiCds in new equipment needs to be taken out and shot). So now I use an adapter taking Makita 18v LiOh batteries. I refuse to be held to ransom by a manufacturer selling spare packs for more than the original price cost of the tool AND a pack - reminds me too much of printer manufacturers and ink cartridges.
I have now reached a point where maintenance has tailed off and I am happy with how everything is working.
But in a world with diminishing resources (buy shares in lithium production) it is criminal the way money has become the only criteria rather than the best way for consumers to keep portable power economical.

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Dec 5, 2018 05:54:14   #
BebuLamar
 
TomV wrote:
I agree totally. A smart charger is the preferred method with the new technology in batteries. A voltmeter/resistor does not cut it today.


But I am not sure if the OP was talking about rechargeable or alkaline?

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Dec 5, 2018 08:52:25   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I go through many hundreds of batteries per year- it's crazy! Just about everything in my studio is electronic or uses electronic accessories. It seems to get worse every year. Some of the equipment uses ordinary disposable batteries, othere use rechargeables and some have those newfangled super-high tech batteries that one needs a degree in electronic engineering to understand.

So... of course I do have my handy battery tester that can test most ordinary alkaline batteries etc. of a variety of voltages under load and the load is adjustable as to the usage- not bad for a no-name meter that I purchased 20 years ago from my battery supplier. It works well and gives me a pretty good idea of battery condition and what I coud expect from any given battery. I did, at one time "calibrate" it to a more precise voltmeter so I have some idea of the actual voltage drops as the regular batteries diminish and expire.

As for rechargeable batteries- I have every manner of those things in my flash gear. Some are Nicads, othere are sealed lead-acid batteries. I have all kinds of chargers to accommodate each type of battery. So...at one time I wanted to monitor battery charging rates with a milliampere meter in series with the charger to insure proper charging rates, maxamize flashes per charge and extend eventual life- longevity of the batteries. With 10 portable units, a bunch of speedlights and a drawer full of radio slaves, exposure meters and camera batteries this started to become a kinda full-time job. Our dead battery bucket was filling up at an alarming rate.

Most importantly, I did no want batteries to unceremoniously drop dead right in the midst of an important job- and usually at the most inopportune times. So here are my preventative remedies.

I like the battery tester you show. That is exactly what I was looking for! Of course several people have brought up the fact that different chemistries in battery manufacture will make a difference in how the batteries test. I still would like to get my hands on the kind you show, but also a digital one as well. Someone said they feel a battery that tests around 1.565 and above is good to go, so between the two meters I can be pretty safe in what to use and what to discard.

Thanks again all who responded. I received some very good information about batteries as well as chargers.

With speedlights I just keep lots of spare batteries and on long jobs like weddings and events, I change them long before the are likely to die. On some of my units I created a 4 AA cell substitution pack made of wooden dowels, metal wood screws and wire. I place this device in the battery compartment of the speedlights and wire it to a home-made belt pack containing a sealed lead acid battery, 1- 6 volt battery, costing about 30 bucks, will deliver hundreds of full power flashes per charge and last about 2 to 3 years in continuous operation. No more tons of AA cells on long gigs. I have automatic chargers for theses batteries that automatically go to trickle charge when the battery is fully charged. Since theses batteries do drop a bit of voltage as they discharge, the recycling times slows down a bit and I know when it's time to change the pack- they won't drop dead without warning.

In my Lumadyne (bigger more powerful portables) I have replaced all of the expensive Nicads with theses sealed lead acid batteries of the same voltage and ampere/hour rating as the originals. A replacement set of originals costs about $200. the substitutes set me me back $40 each for a 12 volt battery.

Even with all my previous fussing and testing and my converted units, I have found by experience that even the best batteries, the best chargers and the best electronic gear can get "funny" and malfunction so the best bet is to carry plenty of spares. Used to be if you camera battery died the only thing that would go down was the metering system. Even film camera with electronic shutters had one mechanical speed that could get you through a job- not anymore. If the battery fails the entire camera goes down with it so the only solution on long jobs is plenty of backup.

Used to call the battery industry the "battery industry"- not anymore it's now ENERGY STORAGE! I get newsletters with all kids of specification and news of the advancements MORE SOPHISTICATED! Truly enough, there are some great inventions, innovations advancements and incredible minaturizations. Sometimes, however, the more sophisticated and complex things get, the more problematic they become. I have no time to run an electronics lab in my studio so I stick to simple batteries, lots of spares, reliable chargers and my beaten up old battery tester. I hate the smell of burning phenolic and overheated batteries so I try to keep the gear in good repair.

Our dead battery bucket goes to a safe disposal site every two months. Maybe we shoud have a ceremony!

See pictures of the meter and my battery conversion thing.
I go through many hundreds of batteries per year- ... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2018 09:04:25   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
chrissybabe wrote:
I test alkaline cells by measuring the voltage. If they are up around 1.52-1.53v then they are probably okay. If down to 1.49 then out they go. Voltages like 1.506 usually means they have probably been used a bit and not worth trusting. In this case they get relegated to use in torches.
Rechargeable batteries are charged, placed in series with some sort of load, and voltage across the load measured until the battery voltage drops depending on chemistry to a certain minimum value. From this you can calculate the average mA draw and compare it with the rated value of the cell. Do this up to 3-5 times to get an average. If the average is reasonable consistent and isn't too far from capacity then cell is probably okay. Worth repeating after a week to make sure the cell has held charge for a while. This is how you can tell whether a cell (lithium anyway) is either at its rated capacity of say 3000maH, or as often happens with some Chinese sourced (read manufactured) cells where the capacity might only turn out to be 1200maH. If you are handy with your hands you can make up a holder to fit camera batteries into for testing. Any battery not close to the rated capacity should be replaced.
I test alkaline cells by measuring the voltage. If... (show quote)


In my experience, nimh batteries always fail or degrade in one of two ways. First is overvolt on charging. This indicates high internal resistance in the cell. The charger reaches its voltage limit before achieving the proper charge current. This means your flash would never reach full charge. This failure mode is quite common in nimh cells. The second failure type is just gradual loss of real mah capacity. The voltage, both open circuit and loaded, will appear ok but the cell just dies early. Because flashes and other equipment use four or more cells in series, all it takes is one weak cell to bring down the effectiveness of the pack. Therefor it is a good idea to use cells in matched sets of equal or better condition. Neither of these two most common modes of failure can be detected with a silmple voltmeter reading.

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Dec 5, 2018 11:27:45   #
Dick B
 
I agree 100% especially in an application like 4 cells in series in a Flash if there is one weak cell ( not fully charged ) using it with 3 good cells will or at least could permanently damage it so that successful recharge will be impossible. So charge and use cells in matched sets. If you have Ni-MH cells be sure your charger is rated to charge them. Ni-cad cells can accept overcharging without damage but NI-MH can not, and the mechanism that the charger uses to detect full charge is different. So again be sure your charger is designed for Ni-MH if that's what your using.
Regarding using an external battery for your flash...is there sufficient frustration, and time wasted with changing and charging batteries that there is interest in the photography world for an external pocket or belt worn battery pack that can last thru 1000 s of flash cycles? I'm thinking of something with li-ion cells and electronics to supply a safe current limited and correct voltage for many thousands of cycles without re-charge.

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Dec 5, 2018 13:22:17   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Dick B wrote:
I agree 100% especially in an application like 4 cells in series in a Flash if there is one weak cell ( not fully charged ) using it with 3 good cells will or at least could permanently damage it so that successful recharge will be impossible. So charge and use cells in matched sets. If you have Ni-MH cells be sure your charger is rated to charge them. Ni-cad cells can accept overcharging without damage but NI-MH can not, and the mechanism that the charger uses to detect full charge is different. So again be sure your charger is designed for Ni-MH if that's what your using.
Regarding using an external battery for your flash...is there sufficient frustration, and time wasted with changing and charging batteries that there is interest in the photography world for an external pocket or belt worn battery pack that can last thru 1000 s of flash cycles? I'm thinking of something with li-ion cells and electronics to supply a safe current limited and correct voltage for many thousands of cycles without re-charge.
I agree 100% especially in an application like 4 c... (show quote)


Right now the Flashpoiht (Adorama) or Bolt (B&H) -- same unit, battery pack can be purchased for around 100.00. I purchased one of these units last year to use with a Flashpoint 360 flash. I have used this for several shoots and have not come close to draining the battery. In fact there are 5 leds on the top and I have not taken it down past two of them even when shooting around 500 shots one evening. I am so impressed with the battery and flash unit both that I bought another this year. The battery can be used either with the Flashpoint units or with Nikon, Canon units.

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Dec 5, 2018 20:32:12   #
TomV Loc: Annapolis, Maryland
 
Bridges wrote:
Right now the Flashpoiht (Adorama) or Bolt (B&H) -- same unit, battery pack can be purchased for around 100.00. I purchased one of these units last year to use with a Flashpoint 360 flash. I have used this for several shoots and have not come close to draining the battery. In fact there are 5 leds on the top and I have not taken it down past two of them even when shooting around 500 shots one evening. I am so impressed with the battery and flash unit both that I bought another this year. The battery can be used either with the Flashpoint units or with Nikon, Canon units.
Right now the Flashpoiht (Adorama) or Bolt (B&... (show quote)


This unit uses Lithium batteries. I recommend anything photographic use the same technology. Much more cost-effective than other types.

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Dec 5, 2018 22:55:26   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
I have nothing left that uses NiMh or NiCd now except a couple of small appliances that came with them embedded inside. Everything else uses Lithium.
Especially nice are the small torches (photographic kit, car glovebox etc) that use a lithium 14500 cell. Since they are the same size as an AA the AAs can be used as backups (although a little less bright). Best of both worlds.
I still have a raft of older LED torches now obsolete (less bright than more modern ones). My biggy which takes 3 x 26650s makes enough light it will illuminate the side of a 8 story building and you can take a photo of it at night. It does get a bit warm though.
I suspect that if I wanted to provide power for a large flash(s) I might try and do away with lead acid and use lithium assuming I can make an appropriate voltage match.
Actually that does remind me I still have a lead acid battery powering a video light we use occasionally for photography. Ah...another project (I might be able to use lithium phosphate for that).

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Dec 9, 2018 17:06:31   #
DJphoto Loc: SF Bay Area
 
Bridges wrote:
I have several battery testers: Micronta, Eveready, Sunbeam, Sears, etc. What I want though is one that will test the battery under a load. I hate it when I go through a pile of batteries, bag the ones that test totally charged and then try to use them in a flash unit or CD player to find they will only last for 15 min. or with flash, only about 25 - 40 shots! I guess I could add a resistor between the battery and tester but would anyone know what the average resistance would be for a flash unit using 4 AA batteries?
I have several battery testers: Micronta, Everea... (show quote)


A quick and easy way to test alkaline batteries (non-rechargeable) is to drop them a short distance onto a hard surface so they land on either end. If they bounce, they are at least partially charged; if not, they are dead or almost dead, so dispose of them. It won't tell you how much life they have left, but is useful for a quick screening.

Many years ago I was flying radio controlled airplanes that used NiCads for the receiver and I was concerned with the health of the batteries. I built a tester with several resistors on a rotary switch, an ammeter in series and a voltmeter in parallel with a momentary push button switch. I would charge the batteries and then select the appropriate resistor that would discharge the battery (or pack) at about the 2 hour rate and then monitor the current and voltage. A little tedious, but it worked. It also allowed a deep enough discharge to prevent the batteries from developing a memory. My current charger (multi-chemistry) has a discharge function that will discharge a battery to whatever cutoff voltage you select and tell you what the battery capacity is. There are many different ones on the market geared to RC use.

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