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Nov 20, 2018 13:20:13   #
Kuzano
 
Would have considered (and have looked at it). No dice now since you mentioned they are adding a managment function. Adding organizers to already well functioning editing software is the "Kiss of Death" for most editing programs. That's when the problems with editors begin to fly.

Best example and most complains on Light Room and PSE come from trouble with catalog systems.

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Nov 20, 2018 13:21:32   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Please may I barge in? I have Photoshop Elements 12 and it stopped accepting RAW from my Nikons D5300 and Df. ( I haven't tried my P7800). It opoened RAW from both DSLR cameras before and then quit and began popping up notices to sign up for some payment. Any ideas I should pursue? Thanks.

I can't help you here, I had PSE 12, 13 and 14 but don't use them anymore. But the Adobe DNG converter is a good idea if you don't want to go to a newer version of PSE.
It is free and here is the page from Adobe about it, the download link is in the menu on the right. https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/digital-negative.html
DNG (digital negative) is just Adobe's own version of RAW and will work on many versions of their processing apps that don't do the latest RAW files from some cameras. If you have lots of storage space on your computer I believe it has an option to keep the original RAW along side the DNG conversion.

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Nov 20, 2018 13:22:38   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Please may I barge in? I have Photoshop Elements 12 and it stopped accepting RAW from my Nikons D5300 and Df. ( I haven't tried my P7800). It opoened RAW from both DSLR cameras before and then quit and began popping up notices to sign up for some payment. Any ideas I should pursue? Thanks.
gessman wrote:
As long as we're "barging in" here, your experience seems odd in that I have not previously heard of Adobe taking Raw interpretation features out of older versions of their software like that...
This has come up at least once previously; I don't recall if Davey was the one who mentioned. Adobe stops supporting their older PS Elements programs after a certain period of time, so new cameras may not have ability to use PSE's version of raw. But to have a pre-existing usage removed, along with a demand for payment, is evidence that something else is going on entirely. You should contact Adobe asap. And don't follow the "payment request" link; it could very well be malware.

I used the dng converter for my newest cameras prior to purchasing PSE 2018. The dng converter is great. And to Robert's mention of keeping both the raw and the dng, yes you can. The raw is not overwritten.

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Nov 20, 2018 13:27:41   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Fredrick wrote:
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was because I've been using Photoshop Elements for so long ... and could never get it to open my RAW files. So, I convinced myself that jpeg was good enough. And, in a lot of cases it is good enough. So, I stopped shooting in jpeg + RAW, and just shot in jpeg.

Recently, I joined UHH, and began following the daily updates, etc. I absolutely love this forum, because I am learning so much, and I am starting to contribute in whatever way I can. I am a hobbyist ... and an enthusiast wannabe. I think? that's the order?

Anyway, I recently purchased Luminar 2018 for $49, YES $49 (when using discount code DANBAILEY at checkout) and fell in love with it. Today, I happened to take a couple of images from a year or so ago (that were jpeg images I had edited), and brought the RAW versions of those images into Luminar (for the first time) to see how I might be able to improve on the jpeg versions I had done.

OMG ... I could not believe it! I did this because a number of you (so sorry, wish I could remember your names?) kept saying to shoot and process RAW, and that it was easier and faster to process RAW files ... which I didn't believe. But ... I do now. I am a convert, and will be forever grateful to this forum for that. As I write, today I have been taking some of my favorite images that I had captured a RAW file of as well, and am re-editing them, with fantastic results.

Now, there are two variables here. One is RAW vs. jpeg. The other is Photoshop Elements 14 vs. Luminar. So, perhaps I could be improving my jpeg images even further by re-processing them in Luminar ... but at this point I don't even care anymore. Luminar and RAW is my new process! One other thing I have learned is although I've become pretty efficient with Photoshop Elements 14, I can edit so much faster in Luminar! Saving time to me is a very precious thing.

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge with this forum! I am forever grateful.
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was... (show quote)


I wonder why you couldn't handle your RAW files in your copy of Elements. Could it be that your camera is "too new" for the version of Elements you've got? If it's Elements 14, it would be about 5 years old now and probably can't work with RAW files from a camera introduced after Fall 2014, approx. (when Elements 15 was introduced). Adobe updates Elements annually and pretty much sunsets the previous version each time. So long as you are using cameras that are the same age or older than the program, it should be able to handle any RAW files. But as soon as you update to a camera newer than the software, you'll also need a new version of Elements to be able to handle it. (There's usually a bit of a time lag too... If a new camera is intro'd at the same time or during the approx. one year "life span" of Elements, there's good chance that updates won't be immediate. Sometimes camera makers provide advance copies of cameras to the software companies to give them opportunity to prepare for the release. But more often than not they don't and it takes some weeks or even a month or two until the new camera is supported in a third party software like Adobe's.)

Glad you are enjoying working from the RAW now though, regardless.

However, I think one thing needs to be clarified....

I'd never call it "faster and easier to [shoot and] process RAW". JPEG is typically faster and easier because the images have been processed immediately when they were taken. In fact, all cameras initially capture a RAW file... but when you set it to JPEG, the camera the camera immediately processes it according to the settings of the camera. In that process the camera discards a lot of the originally captured data (for one, it reduces the original 12 bit or 14 bit capture down to 8 bit).

RAW is "better" because you can exercise more control over the process doing it in your computer and since the RAW file contains all the original data there's a lot more latitude to make adjustments, if needed. Of course, it's more work on your part and there's a delay seeing the finished product. Shooting RAW + JPEG is one way to have the best of both methods... the immediacy of JPEGs plus the potentially better quality of your results with RAW. But, of course, shooting both fills up memory cards and hard drives a lot faster.

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Nov 20, 2018 13:39:28   #
Linda S.
 
robertjerl wrote:
...And Adobe does have a RAW converter that sooner or later can handle and convert any RAW no matter the brand of camera.


I recently purchased a Canon 5D Mark iv...with double pixels. As a result, Lightroom 6 will not open RAW. What is the name of the Adobe converter? I am an amateur. Many thanks!

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Nov 20, 2018 14:05:29   #
gordone Loc: Red Deer AB Canada
 
Linda S. wrote:
I recently purchased a Canon 5D Mark iv...with double pixels. As a result, Lightroom 6 will not open RAW. What is the name of the Adobe converter? I am an amateur. Many thanks!


Use the Canon Digital Photo Professional that came free with you camera and export it as a 16 bit tiff file

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Nov 20, 2018 14:34:17   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Linda S. wrote:
I recently purchased a Canon 5D Mark iv...with double pixels. As a result, Lightroom 6 will not open RAW. What is the name of the Adobe converter? I am an amateur. Many thanks!
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/digital-negative.html#downloads
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Nov 20, 2018 14:41:10   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Hey, now that my assistants have answered that question I can go back to my book!

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Nov 20, 2018 14:45:39   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
robertjerl wrote:
Hey, now that my assistants have answered that question I can go back to my book!
rotfl

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Nov 20, 2018 14:46:39   #
Rickoshay Loc: Southern California
 
Fredrick wrote:
Recently, I joined UHH......
......Thank you all for sharing your knowledge with this forum! I am forever grateful.


I, too, am a hobbyist and recently joined the forum. I have learned a ton and share the gratitude. The daily email is a highlight for me and I read many of the topics.
Thank you for sharing your success story.

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Nov 20, 2018 14:59:46   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
gessman, Thank you.

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Nov 20, 2018 17:02:20   #
HarryBinNC Loc: Blue Ridge Mtns, No.Carolina, USA
 
Don, the 2nd son wrote:
Wondering the same. PSE 14 (I use this also) is a bit old now but the newest version covers new RAW files.


I believe that PS Elements is limited to 8-bit output, which seriously compromises the goodness of RAW.

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Nov 20, 2018 20:46:58   #
marquina Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Fredrick wrote:
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was because I've been using Photoshop Elements for so long ... and could never get it to open my RAW files. So, I convinced myself that jpeg was good enough. And, in a lot of cases it is good enough. So, I stopped shooting in jpeg + RAW, and just shot in jpeg.

Recently, I joined UHH, and began following the daily updates, etc. I absolutely love this forum, because I am learning so much, and I am starting to contribute in whatever way I can. I am a hobbyist ... and an enthusiast wannabe. I think? that's the order?

Anyway, I recently purchased Luminar 2018 for $49, YES $49 (when using discount code DANBAILEY at checkout) and fell in love with it. Today, I happened to take a couple of images from a year or so ago (that were jpeg images I had edited), and brought the RAW versions of those images into Luminar (for the first time) to see how I might be able to improve on the jpeg versions I had done.

OMG ... I could not believe it! I did this because a number of you (so sorry, wish I could remember your names?) kept saying to shoot and process RAW, and that it was easier and faster to process RAW files ... which I didn't believe. But ... I do now. I am a convert, and will be forever grateful to this forum for that. As I write, today I have been taking some of my favorite images that I had captured a RAW file of as well, and am re-editing them, with fantastic results.

Now, there are two variables here. One is RAW vs. jpeg. The other is Photoshop Elements 14 vs. Luminar. So, perhaps I could be improving my jpeg images even further by re-processing them in Luminar ... but at this point I don't even care anymore. Luminar and RAW is my new process! One other thing I have learned is although I've become pretty efficient with Photoshop Elements 14, I can edit so much faster in Luminar! Saving time to me is a very precious thing.

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge with this forum! I am forever grateful.
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was... (show quote)



Fredrick, I too use Lumix 2018 and I like it very much. It's almost as powerful as the full Photoshop, but without the constant learning/remembering (and cost). You should know that Luminar can access Photoshop Elements (including Lightroom and the full Photoshop) as a plugin.

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Nov 20, 2018 20:57:32   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
I have saved a lot of shots I took in RAW that would have been wasted effort in jpeg. I'm a believer. I know nothing about Luminar. I'm a Lightroom/Photoshop guy. I'm interested in how it performs. I only know 0.00001% of what Photoshop can do so if there's something more intuitive I'm interested.

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Nov 20, 2018 21:09:12   #
wds0410 Loc: Nunya
 
10MPlayer wrote:
I have saved a lot of shots I took in RAW that would have been wasted effort in jpeg. I'm a believer. I know nothing about Luminar. I'm a Lightroom/Photoshop guy. I'm interested in how it performs. I only know 0.00001% of what Photoshop can do so if there's something more intuitive I'm interested.


Check out the videos on this link which provides education and how to on Luminar by one of their ambassadors and see if you interests you. My understanding is Luminar is Lightroom on steriods but still not as powerful as Photoshop.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLye10L-yi8hV3b0Swa8EGrU7MuZD1_rgv

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