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Nov 20, 2018 10:37:39   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Fredrick wrote:
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was because I've been using Photoshop Elements for so long ... and could never get it to open my RAW files. So, I convinced myself that jpeg was good enough. And, in a lot of cases it is good enough. So, I stopped shooting in jpeg + RAW, and just shot in jpeg.

Recently, I joined UHH, and began following the daily updates, etc. I absolutely love this forum, because I am learning so much, and I am starting to contribute in whatever way I can. I am a hobbyist ... and an enthusiast wannabe. I think? that's the order?

Anyway, I recently purchased Luminar 2018 for $49, YES $49 (when using discount code DANBAILEY at checkout) and fell in love with it. Today, I happened to take a couple of images from a year or so ago (that were jpeg images I had edited), and brought the RAW versions of those images into Luminar (for the first time) to see how I might be able to improve on the jpeg versions I had done.

OMG ... I could not believe it! I did this because a number of you (so sorry, wish I could remember your names?) kept saying to shoot and process RAW, and that it was easier and faster to process RAW files ... which I didn't believe. But ... I do now. I am a convert, and will be forever grateful to this forum for that. As I write, today I have been taking some of my favorite images that I had captured a RAW file of as well, and am re-editing them, with fantastic results.

Now, there are two variables here. One is RAW vs. jpeg. The other is Photoshop Elements 14 vs. Luminar. So, perhaps I could be improving my jpeg images even further by re-processing them in Luminar ... but at this point I don't even care anymore. Luminar and RAW is my new process! One other thing I have learned is although I've become pretty efficient with Photoshop Elements 14, I can edit so much faster in Luminar! Saving time to me is a very precious thing.

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge with this forum! I am forever grateful.
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was... (show quote)


If you think of raw as an unprocessed color negative that can be processed an infinite number of times and ways, and JPEG as a processed color slide that can be adjusted a little bit, you can find advantages in both file types. Each involves certain compromises, either in terms of time, or dynamic range, or other characteristics.

Professionals have various reasons for using both JPEG and raw workflows. We are fond of saying, "Raw is for rookies," because getting really fine JPEGs out of the camera takes a lot more skill than getting usable raw files. That's great for rookies, because the additional latitude of raw workflow yields better images, more quickly, with less effort. We get that same advantage when we need it. But our training and experience, honed from decades of transparency film usage and studio lighting, gives us the discipline to deal with JPEGs when we need them for speed or editorial/legal compliance.

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Nov 20, 2018 10:40:23   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
pithydoug wrote:
Welcome to the bright side regardless of what tool you use!! The same goes for those that think they can get the 'ideal" photo SOOC! :)


Often you can get the ideal photo SOOC.

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Nov 20, 2018 10:51:37   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
dsmeltz wrote:
To credit all of those who promote RAW, it is easiest to copy a list of all the UHH members and just delete the two or three who don't like RAW.


I shoot and edit in Jpeg! You can delete me if thou wishist

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Nov 20, 2018 11:01:17   #
rikhar Loc: Ct. shoreline
 
Fredrick wrote:
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was because I've been using Photoshop Elements for so long ... and could never get it to open my RAW files. So, I convinced myself that jpeg was good enough. And, in a lot of cases it is good enough. So, I stopped shooting in jpeg + RAW, and just shot in jpeg.

Recently, I joined UHH, and began following the daily updates, etc. I absolutely love this forum, because I am learning so much, and I am starting to contribute in whatever way I can. I am a hobbyist ... and an enthusiast wannabe. I think? that's the order?

Anyway, I recently purchased Luminar 2018 for $49, YES $49 (when using discount code DANBAILEY at checkout) and fell in love with it. Today, I happened to take a couple of images from a year or so ago (that were jpeg images I had edited), and brought the RAW versions of those images into Luminar (for the first time) to see how I might be able to improve on the jpeg versions I had done.

OMG ... I could not believe it! I did this because a number of you (so sorry, wish I could remember your names?) kept saying to shoot and process RAW, and that it was easier and faster to process RAW files ... which I didn't believe. But ... I do now. I am a convert, and will be forever grateful to this forum for that. As I write, today I have been taking some of my favorite images that I had captured a RAW file of as well, and am re-editing them, with fantastic results.

Now, there are two variables here. One is RAW vs. jpeg. The other is Photoshop Elements 14 vs. Luminar. So, perhaps I could be improving my jpeg images even further by re-processing them in Luminar ... but at this point I don't even care anymore. Luminar and RAW is my new process! One other thing I have learned is although I've become pretty efficient with Photoshop Elements 14, I can edit so much faster in Luminar! Saving time to me is a very precious thing.

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge with this forum! I am forever grateful.
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was... (show quote)


I am a neophyte in all aspects of photography including PP but I have Luminar also and although I'm still learning it, I find it is very easy and I love it

rick

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Nov 20, 2018 11:01:59   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
davyboy wrote:
I shoot and edit in Jpeg! You can delete me if thou wishist


Blessed are those who are not elitist.

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Nov 20, 2018 11:22:20   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
Welcome to the club!

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Nov 20, 2018 11:28:55   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
...And PSE14 is still a 8-bit program. Bummer.

Way back when I did not know what I was doing software wise I had PSE7 then PSE9 but was shooting JPGs. Once I started taking digital photo classes I immediately started using Ps CS6 and shot virtually everything in RAW. I sure wish I could go back and have RAWs of some of my early digital shots. Many of my better done JPGs are pretty good now when worked on with Photoshop CS6 anyway. I essentially don't use PSE9 any more though have it still installed on my wife's PC as there are a few things I know how to do with PSE but not Ps CS and so I can process on her PC if need be. A big issue for we about not wanting to settle for PSE is that it is only 8-bit for RAW, TIFF and PSD alike as I normally work with 16-bit or even 32-bit image files with Ps CS6. I may soon have to upgrade to Ps CC (subscription) as I am probably on my last upgrades in cameras for CS6 and ACR9.1.1. The next newer Pentax or Fuji Camera I might buy will not work with my ACR without using and converting to DNG files with the Adobe DNG Converter (I have that now on my wife's PC).

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Nov 20, 2018 11:45:37   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
robertjerl wrote:
What camera do you have that PSE 14 couldn't open the RAW? And Adobe does have a RAW converter that sooner or later can handle and convert any RAW no matter the brand of camera.


I have a Fuji X-T2, and Fuji X100F. When I try opening in Camera RAW, it says file type not supported, and try applying updates. I’ve applied all updates and it still doesn’t work. I’m sure my RAF files would work in Lightroom and Photoshop. They work just fine in Luminar.

I think Fuji has its own in camera RAW processor, but I never figured out how to use it.

I’m learning Luminar 2018 through trial and error, and also starting to watch tutorials on YouTube by Jim Nix, which are great.

There is a 14 day free trial for Luminar 2018, for those of you who may be interested in looking at it. Aside from 60 pre-sets and 50 sliders, they developed an AI engine that has filters such as AI Sky Enhancer, AI Accent, and AI Sunrays. Great effects.

I can see how at times I will only shoot jpeg, but when I’m traveling I will now shoot jpeg+RAW.

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Nov 20, 2018 12:06:17   #
RainierView Loc: Eatonville, WA
 
Is this a one time purchase, not a monthly fee forever?

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Nov 20, 2018 12:20:57   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Fredrick wrote:
I have a Fuji X-T2, and Fuji X100F. When I try opening in Camera RAW, it says file type not supported, and try applying updates. I’ve applied all updates and it still doesn’t work. I’m sure my RAF files would work in Lightroom and Photoshop. They work just fine in Luminar.

I think Fuji has its own in camera RAW processor, but I never figured out how to use it.

I’m learning Luminar 2018 through trial and error, and also starting to watch tutorials on YouTube by Jim Nix, which are great.

There is a 14 day free trial for Luminar 2018, for those of you who may be interested in looking at it. Aside from 60 pre-sets and 50 sliders, they developed an AI engine that has filters such as AI Sky Enhancer, AI Accent, and AI Sunrays. Great effects.

I can see how at times I will only shoot jpeg, but when I’m traveling I will now shoot jpeg+RAW.
I have a Fuji X-T2, and Fuji X100F. When I try ope... (show quote)


What version of Camera RAW are you using? Check the compatibility chart at: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

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Nov 20, 2018 12:30:17   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
Fredrick wrote:
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was because I've been using Photoshop Elements for so long ... and could never get it to open my RAW files. So, I convinced myself that jpeg was good enough. And, in a lot of cases it is good enough. So, I stopped shooting in jpeg + RAW, and just shot in jpeg.

Recently, I joined UHH, and began following the daily updates, etc. I absolutely love this forum, because I am learning so much, and I am starting to contribute in whatever way I can. I am a hobbyist ... and an enthusiast wannabe. I think? that's the order?

Anyway, I recently purchased Luminar 2018 for $49, YES $49 (when using discount code DANBAILEY at checkout) and fell in love with it. Today, I happened to take a couple of images from a year or so ago (that were jpeg images I had edited), and brought the RAW versions of those images into Luminar (for the first time) to see how I might be able to improve on the jpeg versions I had done.

OMG ... I could not believe it! I did this because a number of you (so sorry, wish I could remember your names?) kept saying to shoot and process RAW, and that it was easier and faster to process RAW files ... which I didn't believe. But ... I do now. I am a convert, and will be forever grateful to this forum for that. As I write, today I have been taking some of my favorite images that I had captured a RAW file of as well, and am re-editing them, with fantastic results.

Now, there are two variables here. One is RAW vs. jpeg. The other is Photoshop Elements 14 vs. Luminar. So, perhaps I could be improving my jpeg images even further by re-processing them in Luminar ... but at this point I don't even care anymore. Luminar and RAW is my new process! One other thing I have learned is although I've become pretty efficient with Photoshop Elements 14, I can edit so much faster in Luminar! Saving time to me is a very precious thing.

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge with this forum! I am forever grateful.
I don't know what took me so long? I think it was... (show quote)


If you buy Luminar, and upon install, find that it won't run, I would like to add that if your computer is getting a bit "long of tooth," say 4 years or more, you may encounter a problem with one or more of the three of Skylum's current popular programs, Luminar, AuroraHDR, and Photolemur. Seems they're written in such a manner that requires OpenGL 3.3 or higher and many machines four years or more have an earlier version and it isn't particularly easy to update that because it isn't readily available to download but is encapsulated within your video card's driver updates and that can get a bit complicated if you're not lucky. I have two computers that are on the cusp of the cutoff for that driver and one has an upgraded AMD fairly expensive gaming video card which, although relatively new, has been discontinued and "no longer supported," hence no updated drivers, which really gave me fits to come up with a work-around without having to buy another video card. I finally figure it out but had to upgrade the drivers on two other computers, neither of which turned out to be a simple download and install.

Skylum's programmers should be making provisions for the problem and including the fix in their packages, but they aren't. I think it's a conflict with whatever level of the new "wave" of Artificial Intelligence they're trying to incorporate into their programs and apparently they don't know what to do about it. The problem is intensified because the error message flashes on and off so quick you cannot read it so you don't know what to do about it and apparently neither does their support staff, or at least didn't the three times I talked with them. They went off "stabbin' in the dark." Their merge with Photolemur recently doesn't seem to have improved things very much. Luminar and AuroraHDR are good, and so is Photolemur if your images are pretty "close" to start with. If you're way off, like maybe 2 stops, especially "under" then Photolemur struggles.

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Nov 20, 2018 12:40:39   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
dsmeltz wrote:
What version of Camera RAW are you using? Check the compatibility chart at: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html


Thanks!

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Nov 20, 2018 13:02:14   #
John O.
 
Adobe does not let you update their RAW Converter version in their older products including Elements. A newer version of Elements will totally resolve that problem. I have experienced this myself and have done a lot of research on this issue. My Elements 14 uses RAW converter version 9.5 and my 2018 version of Elements uses 10.3. My Elements 2018 resolved my RAW files problem. I is a shame how Adobe forces obsolescence!

I have not tried the following but a friend of mine does this all the time -- Download Adobe's free DNG converter. Use their DNG converter on your RAW files and process the DNG's in the RAW converter.

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Nov 20, 2018 13:04:58   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
robertjerl wrote:
What camera do you have that PSE 14 couldn't open the RAW? And Adobe does have a RAW converter that sooner or later can handle and convert any RAW no matter the brand of camera.

Please may I barge in? I have Photoshop Elements 12 and it stopped accepting RAW from my Nikons D5300 and Df. ( I haven't tried my P7800). It opoened RAW from both DSLR cameras before and then quit and began popping up notices to sign up for some payment. Any ideas I should pursue? Thanks.

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Nov 20, 2018 13:13:20   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Please may I barge in? I have Photoshop Elements 12 and it stopped accepting RAW from my Nikons D5300 and Df. ( I haven't tried my P7800). It opoened RAW from both DSLR cameras before and then quit and began popping up notices to sign up for some payment. Any ideas I should pursue? Thanks.


As long as we're "barging in" here, your experience seems odd in that I have not previously heard of Adobe taking Raw interpretation features out of older versions of their software like that. In the end, the manufacturer's software provided with a camera has the ability to open and convert the Raw files from each camera and it often works on other camera models as well but might not in your case depending on your different models and when they were released in terms of when the software was released. I have never consistently used anything but manufacturer provided software to convert my Raw files and likely won't. You should be able to download the latest Nikon software from their website and it should work on all three of your cameras.

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