Can I Take This Picture (Page 7): If you are talking to me and I assume you are, I can only ask why. I have never advocated pointing a weapon at anybody unless they have demonstrated a...

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Steamboat wrote:

So as the OP asked: br Can I photograph your horse... (show quote)

If you are talking to me and I assume you are, I can only ask why. I have never advocated pointing a weapon at anybody unless they have demonstrated a threat to me or my family. I said I carried a firearm all the time and pointed out why. On or near my property we’re numerous black bears, one of the highest concentrations of lions in Colorado and plenty of rattlesnakes. Occasionally there was a trespasser on two legs as well. Do you not think I had the right to protect me and mine?

I never cared a whit about people stopping alongside the main highway to photograph the scenery, wildlife, horses or whatever. If I encountered a trespasser I never pointed a gun at them ever. I walked up to them and asked if I could help them. Possibly their car broke down. Of course I had no idea why they were on my property. But I had the right to ask. Most said they just wanted to see where the road, my driveway, went. We would talk, I would answer their questions and they would leave. The sheriff was called once, as I described. My neighbors had seen his vehicle parked at the front of my driveway. They called to him but he refused to answer. When I got home a few minutes later my neighbors met my wife and me at the driveway and said they had called the sheriff. Then I drove to the house, got my shotgun and yelled out to confront the trespasser who was hiding in the grass 50 yards from my house. I felt threatened because my neighbors called out to him and he didn’t answer. He was hiding from me. I had no idea who he was or if he was armed.

Think about this. I have absolutely no idea of where you live. But wherever it is I assume you have a private area that is your property. Now imagine people at will just walk around your property without asking permission and do what they want with no respect for the fact it is you who owns the property.

Anybody on the highway taking photos was never contacted by me or my wife. I take pictures from the highway all the time in every western state. Never had a problem. It is a public highway. They can photograph all they want.

Now your seeming problem with me was what please?

Dennis

Fkaufman3 Loc: Florida, LA ie lower Alabama

Don’t climb over the electric fences

sv3noKin51E

Dennis, dictating a post goes much more quickly than typing. I no longer type so it tends to make for a long post. I wasn't chastising and hope there was no animosity or hard feelings. Photographers are as an impassioned group as any. It's nice to be able to jest or speak your mind as long as everyone doesn't insult each other. This has always seemed to be a good site with knowledgeable people helping and passing advice to others. I've seen too many sites come and go over many years, and didn't intend to go on as long or to be at odds with the OP.

The jest (most of it was jest) re the ACLU, wasn't meant as derogatory toward the few attorneys who think they're actually working to defend American's civil rights, or as one state law enforcement officer once said, 'civil rights?, you believe you really still have your civil rights?' The way the officer looked when he said it was chilling. Whatever you see fit to substitute for the letters ACLU, such as, 'All Commies Lie Unconditionally', is probably fine since they have pretty thick skins by now.

We're fortunate to have in fly-over country. We have an abundance of beautiful wildlife and spend as much time as we can photographing them. There's no local law enforcement, or authorities to interfere in daily life. Living in a free and self-sufficient way with highway access to cities if we need it, encompasses positive and negative situations. It can become far more complicated than most people are comfortable dealing with day to day. The right to carry openly or concealed, with no duty or requirement to retreat from any lawful public/private environment, means one must accept the inevitability of consequences. Anyone who doesn't voluntarily undertake personal firearms safety training and handling, whether required or not, isn't dealing with a full deck. In many cases, by the time law enforcement can be summoned, whatever might transpire would be long past. The locals we know assume that their neighbors will act responsibly to protect each other in common cause. There's been no crime in our area, so it's a good feeling to have such freedom and independence. Being able to dial 911 on a phone was never meant as a means to protect everyone. Criminals that would be stupid enough to break into any locked home locally would not be quietly asked to leave. Fatalistic, yes, but criminals don't care whom they harm. In such states, LE and some politician predicted gun-play in the streets between neighbors but it never happened. Neighbors watch out for each other, a heavy responsibility, with consequences many can't or won't consider. A medivac flight to a competent med center in our area represents the entire golden hour, so I count on Scotty to beam me up when my time comes.

If it were no more than making a photo of a horse in a field with no other safety considerations (or people nearby), I'd make a few quick photos. It's not OK to point firearms at people who probably aren't thinking about anything more than a photo but; only they know that's all they have in mind. If I see a property owner that changes the situation at once, given how everything has to balance for everyone. No one can see through others eyes, except through photographs, a unique human perspective, that everyone shares differently. Not everyone can be a harmless casual photographer as we wish. We see pretty things and are inspired to make photos, and as such we've all had airhead moments. Some who travel have their cameras and devices confiscated without cause, since these objects have carried explosives in the past, so it's always wise to be aware, to avoid pointing objects at others. Not everyone is hyper about every object being a possible threat, but many have been victimized, so the defense mechanism is an overwhelming instinct. Anyone who had to point a firearm at a person as a matter of defense, in or out of the military, understands the immediate, deadly prospect and it should never be pleasant. Firearms are meant to enjoyed when hunting or target practicing but always treated with respect. Jesting about Kemosahbe or Tonto before was in the context of the old B/W TV show. Some didn't care for the Lone Ranger TV show, but it would be wise to treat Native people with respect they should have received from those long ago who never understood or appreciated them, whether or not it was in the original context of the other posts. Peace.

Angmo

All I can add is:

“Never take a laxative and a sleeping pill on the same evening”

will47 Loc: Indianapolis, IN

Al Freeedman wrote:

Trump is un-screwing the screwing Obama did to our country.

You liberals are a bunch of un-happy people.

Captain Al

Rich2236 Loc: E. Hampstead, New Hampshire

will47 wrote:

AMEN!!!
Rich...

anotherview Loc: California

Which software do you use for dictating?

sv3noKin51E wrote:

Dennis, dictating a post goes much more quickly than typing. I no longer type so it tends to make for a long post. I wasn't chastising and hope there was no animosity or hard feelings. Photographers are as an impassioned group as any. It's nice to be able to jest or speak your mind as long as everyone doesn't insult each other. This has always seemed to be a good site with knowledgeable people helping and passing advice to others. I've seen too many sites come and go over many years, and didn't intend to go on as long or to be at odds with the OP.

The jest (most of it was jest) re the ACLU, wasn't meant as derogatory toward the few attorneys who think they're actually working to defend American's civil rights, or as one state law enforcement officer once said, 'civil rights?, you believe you really still have your civil rights?' The way the officer looked when he said it was chilling. Whatever you see fit to substitute for the letters ACLU, such as, 'All Commies Lie Unconditionally', is probably fine since they have pretty thick skins by now.

We're fortunate to have in fly-over country. We have an abundance of beautiful wildlife and spend as much time as we can photographing them. There's no local law enforcement, or authorities to interfere in daily life. Living in a free and self-sufficient way with highway access to cities if we need it, encompasses positive and negative situations. It can become far more complicated than most people are comfortable dealing with day to day. The right to carry openly or concealed, with no duty or requirement to retreat from any lawful public/private environment, means one must accept the inevitability of consequences. Anyone who doesn't voluntarily undertake personal firearms safety training and handling, whether required or not, isn't dealing with a full deck. In many cases, by the time law enforcement can be summoned, whatever might transpire would be long past. The locals we know assume that their neighbors will act responsibly to protect each other in common cause. There's been no crime in our area, so it's a good feeling to have such freedom and independence. Being able to dial 911 on a phone was never meant as a means to protect everyone. Criminals that would be stupid enough to break into any locked home locally would not be quietly asked to leave. Fatalistic, yes, but criminals don't care whom they harm. In such states, LE and some politician predicted gun-play in the streets between neighbors but it never happened. Neighbors watch out for each other, a heavy responsibility, with consequences many can't or won't consider. A medivac flight to a competent med center in our area represents the entire golden hour, so I count on Scotty to beam me up when my time comes.

If it were no more than making a photo of a horse in a field with no other safety considerations (or people nearby), I'd make a few quick photos. It's not OK to point firearms at people who probably aren't thinking about anything more than a photo but; only they know that's all they have in mind. If I see a property owner that changes the situation at once, given how everything has to balance for everyone. No one can see through others eyes, except through photographs, a unique human perspective, that everyone shares differently. Not everyone can be a harmless casual photographer as we wish. We see pretty things and are inspired to make photos, and as such we've all had airhead moments. Some who travel have their cameras and devices confiscated without cause, since these objects have carried explosives in the past, so it's always wise to be aware, to avoid pointing objects at others. Not everyone is hyper about every object being a possible threat, but many have been victimized, so the defense mechanism is an overwhelming instinct. Anyone who had to point a firearm at a person as a matter of defense, in or out of the military, understands the immediate, deadly prospect and it should never be pleasant. Firearms are meant to enjoyed when hunting or target practicing but always treated with respect. Jesting about Kemosahbe or Tonto before was in the context of the old B/W TV show. Some didn't care for the Lone Ranger TV show, but it would be wise to treat Native people with respect they should have received from those long ago who never understood or appreciated them, whether or not it was in the original context of the other posts. Peace.

Dennis, dictating a post goes much more quickly th... (show quote)

jwn Loc: SOUTHEAST GEORGIA USA

road side shots are ok...here's one

Steamboat

jwn wrote:

road side shots are ok...here's one

Outstanding ....title it "Friends"

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

sv3noKin51E wrote:

Dennis, dictating a post goes much more quickly than typing. I no longer type so it tends to make for a long post. I wasn't chastising and hope there was no animosity or hard feelings. Photographers are as an impassioned group as any. It's nice to be able to jest or speak your mind as long as everyone doesn't insult each other. This has always seemed to be a good site with knowledgeable people helping and passing advice to others. I've seen too many sites come and go over many years, and didn't intend to go on as long or to be at odds with the OP.

The jest (most of it was jest) re the ACLU, wasn't meant as derogatory toward the few attorneys who think they're actually working to defend American's civil rights, or as one state law enforcement officer once said, 'civil rights?, you believe you really still have your civil rights?' The way the officer looked when he said it was chilling. Whatever you see fit to substitute for the letters ACLU, such as, 'All Commies Lie Unconditionally', is probably fine since they have pretty thick skins by now.

We're fortunate to have in fly-over country. We have an abundance of beautiful wildlife and spend as much time as we can photographing them. There's no local law enforcement, or authorities to interfere in daily life. Living in a free and self-sufficient way with highway access to cities if we need it, encompasses positive and negative situations. It can become far more complicated than most people are comfortable dealing with day to day. The right to carry openly or concealed, with no duty or requirement to retreat from any lawful public/private environment, means one must accept the inevitability of consequences. Anyone who doesn't voluntarily undertake personal firearms safety training and handling, whether required or not, isn't dealing with a full deck. In many cases, by the time law enforcement can be summoned, whatever might transpire would be long past. The locals we know assume that their neighbors will act responsibly to protect each other in common cause. There's been no crime in our area, so it's a good feeling to have such freedom and independence. Being able to dial 911 on a phone was never meant as a means to protect everyone. Criminals that would be stupid enough to break into any locked home locally would not be quietly asked to leave. Fatalistic, yes, but criminals don't care whom they harm. In such states, LE and some politician predicted gun-play in the streets between neighbors but it never happened. Neighbors watch out for each other, a heavy responsibility, with consequences many can't or won't consider. A medivac flight to a competent med center in our area represents the entire golden hour, so I count on Scotty to beam me up when my time comes.

If it were no more than making a photo of a horse in a field with no other safety considerations (or people nearby), I'd make a few quick photos. It's not OK to point firearms at people who probably aren't thinking about anything more than a photo but; only they know that's all they have in mind. If I see a property owner that changes the situation at once, given how everything has to balance for everyone. No one can see through others eyes, except through photographs, a unique human perspective, that everyone shares differently. Not everyone can be a harmless casual photographer as we wish. We see pretty things and are inspired to make photos, and as such we've all had airhead moments. Some who travel have their cameras and devices confiscated without cause, since these objects have carried explosives in the past, so it's always wise to be aware, to avoid pointing objects at others. Not everyone is hyper about every object being a possible threat, but many have been victimized, so the defense mechanism is an overwhelming instinct. Anyone who had to point a firearm at a person as a matter of defense, in or out of the military, understands the immediate, deadly prospect and it should never be pleasant. Firearms are meant to enjoyed when hunting or target practicing but always treated with respect. Jesting about Kemosahbe or Tonto before was in the context of the old B/W TV show. Some didn't care for the Lone Ranger TV show, but it would be wise to treat Native people with respect they should have received from those long ago who never understood or appreciated them, whether or not it was in the original context of the other posts. Peace.

Dennis, dictating a post goes much more quickly th... (show quote)

I have absolutely no animosity or hard feelings and pretty much go along with about everything you have said. But again, my only question is why you are explaining all of this to me. I have taught much of this to others over pretty much the past 40 years. I have lived in ranch country or farm country much of my 72 years. Yes we carried firearms, I still do. But that doesn’t mean we ever pointed the firearm in a threatening or menacing manner.

These days, however, I have seen tourists to the West who see someone in a restaurant carrying a handgun on their hip and they tend to get upset, as if the person is going to suddenly go berserk and shoot up the place. This happens even when there might be a LEO also sitting nearby. The fear some people have about firearms is one of those strange unexplained phenomena of psychological science.

The ACLU is a totally different conversation entirely. They are simply a Left Wing part of a Socialist type government that Democrats have been supporting for years. While they are supposedly looking out for civil liberties for all of us, they don’t recognize the 2nd Amendment at all. Like many of the Liberal mindset they go along with the laws they like which suit their agenda but ignore the rest.

Dennis

Steamboat

dennis2146 wrote:

I have absolutely no animosity or hard feelings an... (show quote)

Do you need to be armed to the teeth to kill rabbits or rattle snakes?
And it seems that you have an unusual fear of people that you don't know.

Most problems can and should be solved without guns.....We're talking about photographers! Men and Women with cameras.

As for saying most folks don't get it.
Have you seen the increased level of mass shooting in our country over the past 5 years?
Now exactly why do you need to be armed to have dinner at Denny's ? They have already killed the food for you.

Please don't thank God for your right to carry ....that is crazy! really crazy!
You think those victims and their family are thanking God for the second amendment?
Lets leave God out of this... please for the sake of those murdered by crazies with guns.

Now why do we liberals think your a bit off? How about the simple fact that this is a hobby photo site and we are sharing stories of Art photography and pretty photos.
You keep going back to guns and protecting yourself from strangers. You and you side arms are escalating issues that should be solved by words.
So how long have you been interested in Photography? What kind of camera do you have? Do you own a 3D printer?

You are the biggest and baddest UHH in the forum.
Why are you so afraid of people that you think you need to have a gun?
Do you meet more dangerous people than I do ....I live in a City.
Its got a high murder rate but the people are nice;-)

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

MikeMck wrote:

I live close to Annapolis, MD. On my way into Annapolis, I pass many farms that have horses grazing in the field. My question is: Can I stop my car on a state highway and take a picture of a horse on a private farm? Thanks in advance.

If it's Mr. Ed you might need a model release!? LoL
Or maybe take it when the horse isn't looking!!!
SS

Angmo

Steamboat wrote:

Do you need to be armed to the teeth to kill rabbi... (show quote)

Nothing wrong with firearms that I am aware of.

You have a right to feel safe. I support that right. In this country and many others, you have a right to make yourself safe.

That also a wonderful right. To make yourself safe. Agree..?

Steamboat

Angmo wrote:

Nothing wrong with firearms that I am aware of.

You have a right to feel safe. I support that right. In this country and many others, you have a right to make yourself safe.

That also a wonderful right. To make yourself safe. Agree..?

So caring a gun makes you feel safe?
Nope. Good judgment makes you feel safe.
Smart decisions should make you feel safe.
Too much bad judgement in the world today

OK this is a photo site ....I really am done
Off to shoot photos on my side of the fence

Al Freeedman

Steamboat.
Does that mean the shooter smiles before he shoots you?

Captain Al