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Jul 6, 2018 15:58:42   #
KGOldWolf
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
The left always resorts to insulting the intelligence of those who dont believe in systems that history has proven to fail.


The right is called conservative and reactionary for good reason... they cannot adjust to new, evolving realities... they want the past to be the present and future. It is called myopia.

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Jul 6, 2018 15:59:30   #
Steamboat
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
Record low unemployment and incredible economic recovery are a good start. If one pays attention to such facts.


While pissing on the rest of the world. I'll take a little less recovery...... O's recovery was just fine don't you think? @4% unemployment and a gang busters stock market

Yep I'm Liberal and a bit of a Democratic Socialist with a healthy dose of American Capitalism. (self employed 40 years)
You can mix the two and still give everyone health care.... Lets fix it and not just take it away.

And lets talk about Women's health .... I like women, well actually I like people.... all kinds of people.

Anybody in here afraid of people that don't look like them?
A varied population means better ethnic restaurants...... I love going out to eat.

OOPS off the deep end .... So sorry

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Jul 6, 2018 16:03:01   #
Glenn Harve
 
Good grief are you that disconnected? Ask a biz owner. I was for 40 years before the last admin killed us. It matters, huge.

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Jul 6, 2018 16:09:37   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Not the first time a trump used that narrative

https://youtu.be/Gs6UcgiDwg0

Or not first time a trump tried to contact people

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Jul 6, 2018 16:10:01   #
KGOldWolf
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
Good grief are you that disconnected? Ask a biz owner. I was for 40 years before the last admin killed us. It matters, huge.


The administration didn’t kill you, Congress did. They enacted laws that allowed big business to offshore jobs to countries willing to automate tasks that were labor intensive here... those jobs are forever lost to automation.

Offshoring was done in the name of improved corporate profits. Clinton benefitted as a booming economy began to enjoy improved profits.. but that was the beginning of off-shoring. Banks lent money based on a booming economy and a hot real estate market resulted. The crash occurred when reality struck and our Treasury Secretary, Munchin profited on the pain of homeowners who lost their homes.... he bought mortgages for pennies on the dollar. Get past the emotion and recognize the harsh realities.

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Jul 6, 2018 16:15:07   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
The left always resorts to insulting the intelligence of those who dont believe in systems that history has proven to fail.


Think you got that backwards. Lol check out Elaine forumca an gang of others on here. Lol

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Jul 6, 2018 16:15:40   #
Steamboat
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
Good grief are you that disconnected? Ask a biz owner. I was for 40 years before the last admin killed us. It matters, huge.


I would be bitter too if Obama killed my business. Did he specifically target you?

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Jul 6, 2018 16:33:34   #
Glenn Harve
 
4% was another classic manipulation. Look at labor participation. Those who fell off the unemployment system were not counted. The stock market is up more in one year than the prevoius 8. Look at the DOW charts. Look at the approx 40% drop in 2009. GDP was historically abysmal.
Ocare is a complete scam and disaster. All who know the numbers know this.
Etc etc. Again, why would i believe your posts when you believe such?

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Jul 6, 2018 16:38:32   #
KGOldWolf
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
4% was another classic manipulation. Look at labor participation. Those who fell off the unemployment system were not counted. The stock market is up more in one year than the prevoius 8. Look at the DOW charts. Look at the approx 40% drop in 2009. GDP was historically abysmal.
Ocare is a complete scam and disaster. All who know the numbers know this.
Etc etc. Again, why would i believe your posts when you believe such?


I fear you cannot because you see today’s results and not the steps that were taken to make them happen. Within a term a president cannot make the economy better; he can only set the stage for long-term improvement. However, he can make it crash immediately by causing wars be they political, trade based, or military.... so many ways to go immediately wrong. So few to go long term correctly.

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Jul 6, 2018 16:43:23   #
KGOldWolf
 
Steamboat wrote:
I would be bitter too if Obama killed my business. Did he specifically target you?


Glenn is understandably angry; both you and I would be if all of our efforts of 40 years were blown away in a short span of time. I empathize for his pain even though I feel he doesn’t see the entire picture.

(No offense Glenn; I just think you do not see the entirety and Trump gives you a simple, incorrect target. I think you will have lots of company in the not too distant future though I sincerely wish it will not be so.)

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Jul 6, 2018 16:45:34   #
Glenn Harve
 
You are simply wrong. And naive, to be frank. Look at the immediate effects of the new laws concerning write off of capital investment. Its an effect that is so massive i cant imagine anyone not recognizing it. US biz certainly does. You expose an extreme lack of real world experience in manufacturing.

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Jul 6, 2018 16:45:43   #
Steamboat
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
4% was another classic manipulation. Look at labor participation. Those who fell off the unemployment system were not counted. The stock market is up more in one year than the prevoius 8. Look at the DOW charts. Look at the approx 40% drop in 2009. GDP was historically abysmal.
Ocare is a complete scam and disaster. All who know the numbers know this.
Etc etc. Again, why would i believe your posts when you believe such?



"Ocare is a complete scam and disaster."

I have heard this over and over from Rs IT's NOT TRUE! I have it I use it is WONDERFUL! Really!
I have been buying insurance in the private sector forever this is a God sent....fix it and stop lying about it ...... H would have
At least for now until you kill it.

"Why cant we all just get along" ....to quote the late great Rodney King
Last post on this subject ....I have to figure out what lens to take on my up coming vacation the Cleavland.

Its been real but not real fun later ya'll

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Jul 6, 2018 16:54:47   #
KGOldWolf
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
You are simply wrong. And naive, to be frank. Look at the immediate effects of the new laws concerning write off of capital investment. Its an effect that is so massive i cant imagine anyone not recognizing it. US biz certainly does. You expose an extreme lack of real world experience in manufacturing.


Glenn, I’m not sure if your response is directed at me (please use “quote reply” to eliminate confusion.)

If you are addressing my comments, it is likely you are underestimating my perspective. I was tasked with establishing and managing a Fortune 500 internal consulting group for a major soft drink organization that included the manufacturing and distribution of popular soft drinks. The 52 locations, of which 22 we bottling facilities, produced in excess of 100 million cases of product. I am not unaware of the challenges facing M&D corporations.

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Jul 6, 2018 16:59:15   #
KGOldWolf
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
You are simply wrong. And naive, to be frank. Look at the immediate effects of the new laws concerning write off of capital investment. Its an effect that is so massive i cant imagine anyone not recognizing it. US biz certainly does. You expose an extreme lack of real world experience in manufacturing.


The current regulatory changes are short sighted. Trump would have fared much better had he implemented a plan like Nixon’s “Investment Tax Credit”. That provided a far better profit incentive for major investment in domestic corporate production improvements.

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Jul 6, 2018 17:11:36   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
KGOldWolf wrote:
Your definition of MAGA is myopic. The more educated, insightful Americans see the threat that Trump and his knee-jerk supporters are to the OUR country. You can’t see it because you haven’t or can’t adjust to the fact that the world has changed. I will stay to help America regain it’s morality.



Spoken like a typical overlord. Read your history oh enlightened one. It never ends well for those elitists.

I bet King George thought the colonists would come crawling back too.

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