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Jun 20, 2018 23:17:56   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
nytexano wrote:
What's being ignored here is the primary difference between using a Windows machine or a Mac: the OS. I started with mainframe computers, then to PCs, and then, to my astonishment and delight, to the Mac. Suddenly, computing was simplified and intuitive. Windows is everything Gates managed to steal from Apple, hobbled together from MS-DOS. Macs cost more.

There's nothing you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a Windows machine, albeit with several more clutzy steps. How much is your time, and less frustration worth to you?
What's being ignored here is the primary differen... (show quote)


Both get you to the same place. Some people, including myself, actually enjoy fiddling with Windows to solve annoying problems that crop up. Others hate it and/or can't do it. Having said that, I think that Windows XP when it matured was pretty darn good. Windows 7 was pretty good too. 8 sucked. 10 is still maturing, and I do find some annoyances after putting it on some of my older machines, but they basically work.

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Jun 21, 2018 01:05:07   #
photogeneralist Loc: Lopez Island Washington State
 
In my experience the choice of computing hardware/software is dependent on what you learned on. When I started to teach myself to compute there were two operating systems: Microsoft C- prompt and Macintosh . My typing wasn't up to the accuracy demands of C-Prompt but I could use a Mac's mouse pretty well. I gravitated to Mac. I found it much easier to use than Windows even when Windows adopted a mouse driven User Interface. I've enjoyed very good reliability with my Mac's . I'm typing this on a 2009 vintage Mac that is still going strong.
The choice of platforms is no longer so clear cut, as Mac has become more Microsoft like and Microsoft has become more Mac like. It's a matter of personal choice and there isn't much difference in value. Mac costs more, true, but you get more longevity and stability. You will probably make your choice dependent on which platform you learned on and are comfortable with.

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Jun 21, 2018 01:15:31   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
photogeneralist wrote:
I'm typing this on a 2009 vintage Mac that is still going strong.


I'm typing this on a 2007 Dell D530 laptop that is still going strong and running Windows 10 Pro. Notice the 4:3 display. Okay, I put a 500 gig SSD in it. Very easy.


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Jun 21, 2018 05:07:35   #
markjay
 
TRIX is right on target.
2x cost - and figure more time than you can count to learn the new operating system.
I put alot of money into a Macbook pro. BIG mistake. Was a huge waste of time and frustration learning it. Its far more different than wondows than you can imagine.

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Jun 21, 2018 07:45:12   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Gene51 wrote:
Clearly, you are about as useless as teats on a bull . . . Just sayin'

Still nothing of value to contribute. It's ok. There is one in every crowd.


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Jun 21, 2018 08:14:12   #
jacklewis014
 
I am an IT professional, for 40+ years; that predates PCs of any variety. I grew up with IBM PCs and of course Windows. I used to look down my nose at Apple computers and laughed them off as expensive toys, not real computers. About 10 years ago I needed to replace my personal PC and decided to check out what Apple was selling. You see where this is going - I fell in love with the graphics, the seamless integration of their application and I ended up buying a MacBook Pro. I now own a Mac with 27" Retina display monitor and 2 MacBook Pros. I still work each day with a Dell with WIN10, but I would never trade my Apple computers.
Learning curve? not really - it's different so their is a period of orientation. As a point of comparison, it is much easier to start-up and be productive than Lightroom.

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Jun 21, 2018 08:22:32   #
nytexano
 
Well-stated and, from my POV, a very comprehensive appraisal.

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Jun 21, 2018 08:55:10   #
markjay
 
Sure - its well stated as an IT professional for 40+ years !

Did it ever occur to you that not everyone may be as gifted as yourself - being an IT professional for 40 years ??

Give us a break. The reality is for the average Joe - switching to Apple is not easy. OK - if all you do is send emails and troll the internet and UGG - I guess you can make the transition - but beyond that - in fact - there are MANY things that I do regularly in graphics that take MORE clisck to get done on my Macbook than it did on my pc.

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Jun 21, 2018 09:15:02   #
jacklewis014
 
markjay wrote:
Sure - its well stated as an IT professional for 40+ years !

Did it ever occur to you that not everyone may be as gifted as yourself - being an IT professional for 40 years ??

Give us a break. The reality is for the average Joe - switching to Apple is not easy. OK - if all you do is send emails and troll the internet and UGG - I guess you can make the transition - but beyond that - in fact - there are MANY things that I do regularly in graphics that take MORE clisck to get done on my Macbook than it did on my pc.
Sure - its well stated as an IT professional for 4... (show quote)


Taking your endorsement that I am knowledgeable and qualified to respond to this question, let me share one more thought - it is easier to pick up a MAC and go to work than it is to begin using a PC. Your familiarity with the PC does not negate the simplicity of a MAC. My wife, who would not touch a computer if it was on fire on the living room floor, started using my MacBook with no difficulty.
I approach life as everyday is a learning experience. Learning the MAC was just one of those experiences. And, from my point of view, and easy experience.

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Jun 21, 2018 09:24:22   #
wds0410 Loc: Nunya
 
jacklewis014 wrote:
Taking your endorsement that I am knowledgeable and qualified to respond to this question, let me share one more thought - it is easier to pick up a MAC and go to work than it is to begin using a PC. Your familiarity with the PC does not negate the simplicity of a MAC. My wife, who would not touch a computer if it was on fire on the living room floor, started using my MacBook with no difficulty.
I approach life as everyday is a learning experience. Learning the MAC was just one of those experiences. And, from my point of view, and easy experience.
Taking your endorsement that I am knowledgeable an... (show quote)


Completely agree. I went from a PC to a Mac and found the transition fairly easy. It took some getting use to but mostly you realize, "wow, that makes a whole lot more sense than on a PC".

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Jun 21, 2018 09:43:11   #
lwhitehall Loc: St. Louis
 
Due to my job as a web programmer, I have to use both a MacBook Pro and a PC, we well as other toys (cell phone, tablets, etc). I also have installed photo editing on both the PC and Mac (the same program written for each). Stay with the PC. The Mac cost twice as much and takes twice as long to get the work done. My PC line include a Toshiba laptop with a 4K screen, a Dell laptop with a 4K screen, and a Surface Pro series 1. My MacBook is a 2016 version. All three of the PC's have touch screens which is great on photo editing. The Macbook does not have that feature. It also takes several swipes with the finger on the Mac touch pad to move the cursor from one side of the screen to the other. As far as reliability goes, the Surface (Windows 10) survived a house fire and is still working, The Toshiba is going on 3 years with no problems (Windows 10), and the Dell is now a year old (Windows 10). I am on my 5th Mac and none of them survived more than two years.

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Jun 21, 2018 10:14:30   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
I have been holding back on this, but, for what it is worth ... "Apple is more intuitive" "Intuitive" really means you already know how to use it. I have tried several times over the last 30 odd years and just cannot function on Apple equipment. For me, it is just not intuitive at all. But that is just me. I have found that Apple, on A fairly regular basis, will change something that works just fine and replace it with something that just confuses. I used to be able to at least sit down at a mac and use it, but changes in how their touch pads work just left me frustrated. PCs just work as I expect and are less expensive. Don't get me started on their proprietary dumbed down phones (by the way I have always wondered why iPhone screens just seem to break more than others. What is with that?). But, if you are happy with Apple products, stick with them. I have given up on them ever making anything other than a lowest common denominator product.

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Jun 21, 2018 14:05:56   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
markjay wrote:
Sure - its well stated as an IT professional for 40+ years !

Did it ever occur to you that not everyone may be as gifted as yourself - being an IT professional for 40 years ??

Give us a break. The reality is for the average Joe - switching to Apple is not easy. OK - if all you do is send emails and troll the internet and UGG - I guess you can make the transition - but beyond that - in fact - there are MANY things that I do regularly in graphics that take MORE clisck to get done on my Macbook than it did on my pc.
Sure - its well stated as an IT professional for 4... (show quote)


I’m NOT an IT person, but;

It’s VERY easy to switch to Apple. I would NEVER go back to a PC. Plus iOS updates are free and Apple Support is phenomenal.

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Jun 21, 2018 14:57:49   #
tomcat
 
I need to repeat my earlier post: To all the PC guys: We DON'T care about your "superior" MS-running computers. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that you can say to persuade us Apple "cores" to switch. The legion of Apple fans is legendary and will remain so. So stop complaining about our Apple products. So you don't use a Mac; so you tried the OS and did not like it; so you think it's a simple machine that you can't fine-tune to your liking; so you can do your own trouble-shooting (which 99% of the population cannot do); so you ......whatever..... just stop with the drivel---as I said before in an earlier post, we DON'T care about your pc-minded thoughts. If you like Apple, then Hooray and join the fan club for happy computer users. As a final caveat: We have AppleCare!! Who do you have---GatesSupport? Betcha the first thing they would tell you is: "Our MS software was tested and was perfect when it was released and the problem is your machine......."

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Jun 21, 2018 15:01:27   #
wds0410 Loc: Nunya
 
tomcat wrote:
I need to repeat my earlier post: To all the PC guys: We DON'T care about your "superior" MS-running computers. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that you can say to persuade us Apple "cores" to switch. The legion of Apple fans is legendary and will remain so. So stop complaining about our Apple products. So you don't use a Mac; so you tried the OS and did not like it; so you think it's a simple machine that you can't fine-tune to your liking; so you can do your own trouble-shooting (which 99% of the population cannot do); so you ......whatever..... just stop with the drivel---as I said before in an earlier post, we DON'T care about your pc-minded thoughts. If you like Apple, then Hooray and join the fan club for happy computer users. As a final caveat: We have AppleCare!! Who do you have---GatesSupport? Betcha the first thing they would tell you is: "Our MS software was tested and was perfect when it was released and the problem is your machine......."
I need to repeat my earlier post: To all the PC ... (show quote)


Ha! Tough love.

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