Canon Going Strong (Page 2): Let me know when selling the most cameras or having a specific share of the market Improves your ability to take a photograph. Im happy with my camera and...

martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida

Let me know when selling the most cameras or having a specific share of the market Improves your ability to take a photograph. Im happy with my camera and it ain't a cannon, but that's not relevant to photography.

Newsbob Loc: SF Bay Area

Selling the most isn’t that important. But when you see a trend of photographers, both amateurs and pros, switching to a particular brand or type of camera, it tells you that something is definitely happening.

gwilliams6

rehess wrote:

I'll be impressed when I see them more often than Nikon. Right now I see Sony about as often as I see a Pentax other than my own.

Sony is not worrying about impressing you. It all depends where you are going if you are not seeing Sony cameras. Maybe you need to frequent some different places and events. lol Cheers

gwilliams6

Newsbob wrote:

Selling the most isn’t that important. But when you see a trend of photographers, both amateurs and pros, switching to a particular brand or type of camera, it tells you that something is definitely happening.

I totally agree here. There is good reason many folks are choosing to make their art and business with Sony and other great mirrorless brands .

Bill_de Loc: US

Every manufacturer will hype whatever makes them look good. Sony talks about photographers switching from other brands, Canon has largest market share when you include top end and below, Nikon had the best selling DSLR for 2017 and so far for 2018.

As Bill Murray said over and over again in "Meatballs" It just doesn't matter.

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rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

gwilliams6 wrote:

Sony is not worrying about impressing you. It all depends where you are going if you are not seeing Sony cameras. Maybe you need to frequent some different places and events. lol Cheers

As a Pentax user, I'm amused by all the posturing by users of Nikon, Sony, and Canon, and how each group tries to find something to brag about. None of this affects me, because I already have the best system for me.

gwilliams6

Bill_de wrote:

Every manufacturer will hype whatever makes them look good. Sony talks about photographers switching from other brands, Canon has largest market share when you include top end and below, Nikon had the best selling DSLR for 2017 and so far for 2018.

As Bill Murray said over and over again in "Meatballs" It just doesn't matter.

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It is not about any hype to look good. You miss the real point that there is a real shift in buyers preferences and uses of gear. It doesn't mean you cant make stunning shots with any camera format or system. What it means is that the photo world is shifting from dominance by DSLRs to a future where the dominant camera format will be mirrorless at all levels, micro 4/3; APS-C, Full-frame and Medium format. This signals a seismic shift . Not everyone will want or even need to change out of their comfort zone and systems. That is fine, be happy shoot what you like. But for others they will choose to try something new in tech and innovation.

I teach Photography at the university level. I teach Photojournalism, Digital Photography and B&W film Photography courses in addition to my professional work. In each of my courses I also teach the history of photography. We are witnessing one of those important moments in the history of photography. To dismiss this as anything less, is not looking at where we are heading. In the future mirrorless will dominate, no matter if your mirrorless choice is Nikon, Canon, Sony, Pentax, Panasonic ,Fuji, Leica, Hasselblad or whatever. The same parameters of exposure, composition,lighting, and all other artistic and technical decisions, and emotional impact will still count for more in the final image. We will just use different tools to get there and create our art. Time marches on and the fortunes of camera makers will shift up and down in relationship to how well they address the needs and visions of their buyers. Cheers.

Some others share their thoughts on this subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBxOu-3RrAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JevaPIF9fBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFxbFJ9jdM&t=191s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVacINSVf3U&t=316s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1WtfXIYmSw&t=30s

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

gwilliams6 wrote:

It is not about any hype to look good. You miss th... (show quote)

I have already experienced three transitions - from manual aperture control to auto aperture control, from manual focus to auto focus, and from film to digital. When I started the process of selecting a new camera four years ago, I expected 'mirrorless' to dominate by now. In some sense it does - if you include smart phones - but this time is different from the previous times. In the previous times, different levels of camera could completely share technology, but this time ILCs and P&S are being provided by different companies, so profits from P&S can't fuel development in ILC, and they don't share a lot of technology.

At one time, Apple was advertising, "More pictures are taken with Apple than with any other camera"; I don't know what the stats would look like if we included Apple and Samsung, but the fact is that having 'mirrorless' growth scattered, mostly, between Sony, Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic, Apple, Samsung {I'm sure I omitted someone} means scattered influence. No one lens system can benefit from the money coming in. Canon may be 'behind' here, but their lens catalog is deep, and they now benefit from the decision they made thirty years ago to jump to an all-electronic lens system, which translates nicely to this new world. Canon has the resources - even if one counts just customers and lens catalog - to get to good solid MILC if they really want to. Suppose Apple decided they wanted to create an ILC; does anyone doubt that they have the resources - financial, technical, and market presence - to become a player 'overnight'?

I think it is really premature to announce any winners here.

gwilliams6

We the consumer are the true winners here. The age of the DSLR dominance is fading. It won't happen overnight, too many folks still use them, and are familiar with them. But for sure mirrorless is the future. Remember when the Nokia cell phones dominated the cell phone market. There were solid and you could drop them, beat them up and they still worked. Well Nokia missed the smartphone revolution and now they are mostly nonexistent, though still around. We changed our allegiance to smart phones and all they could do, which includes, oh my goodness, a mirrorless camera!!

The only losers now would be any company that misses out on making a competitive mirrorless system available to its customers. Those companies risk losing those customers, as there are great alternatives for us all to choose. Canon, as I and tons of reviewers and users have noted, has all the resources to have lead in the mirrorless filed, but they have lacked the corporate will to do so. Why should they spend all the millions in tech and innovation if they sell every model of old tech they make.

It has taken an upstart like Sony (which as a huge corporation, has as much resources as Canon ) and others like Fuji and Panasonic to finally show the market "leader" how to really lead going forward. The A7III was just the next nail in the coffin to get Canon and Nikon to get serious in this growing market . The future is here folks and we will see how Canon and Nikon respond. I for one welcome good competition, it keeps everyone innovating, and we the consumer win with better and better products. Sony, Fuji, Panasonic and others aren't sitting around and waiting on Canon to get off the couch, they are moving forward at full speed and going after every customer that is ready to say goodbye to that outdated and bulky mirror box. Those camera makers that lag behind will be the only losers here. Cheers

gwilliams6

This is the new target that Canon and Nikon must hit ,match or exceed with their first high-end full-frame mirrorless cameras, and at the same price point. Anything less could be a market failure.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-7m3-body-kit?cpint=SG_CATEGORY_SEC-TOUT-OTHER-S61B61B6-EN_GL-2017-12-M01-M61B6-TOUT01-M61B6

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

gwilliams6 wrote:

This is the new target that Canon and Nikon must hit ,match or exceed with their first high-end full-frame mirrorless cameras, and at the same price point. Anything less could be a market failure.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-7m3-body-kit?cpint=SG_CATEGORY_SEC-TOUT-OTHER-S61B61B6-EN_GL-2017-12-M01-M61B6-TOUT01-M61B6

No one camera is "exceed or lose"

Putting this camera in that position is as silly as putting the Nikon D850 there

gwilliams6

rehess wrote:

No one camera is "exceed or lose"

Putting this camera in that position is as silly as putting the Nikon D850 there

Nikon and Canon have both officially stated they DO plan to compete in this high-end full-frame mirrorless market. With releases rumored to come later this year and/or early in 2019. Camera markers watch closely what cameras their competitors are selling, and right now this Sony A7III is selling the most at B&H, Adorama and Amazon, and garnishing praise around the world in real live shooting and trials. It is prompting folks to finally think about switching to Sony mirrorless and many are doing just that. Nikon and Canon will want to respond to this and will take aim at the features ,performance and price of this "entry level" Sony mirrorless. What is so hard to understand about all that?

The D850 is DSLR and doing quite well for Nikon.

fullyexposed Loc: Illinois

I shoot Canon, but if you give me the top of the line Sony, Nikon, Olympus, Pentax or any other brand I can still show you horrible pictures. Modern cameras are all good no matter what brand when it comes to still photography. Get out there and use the camera and get good at whatever you can afford and have fun. If you can buy the latest and greatest and want to change camera systems all the time, go for it. Otherwise let people use whatever they want without judgement. And if anyone feels that I am using the wrong brand, feel free to pm me for my address so you can send me the gear you feel is best.

gwilliams6

fullyexposed wrote:

I shoot Canon, but if you give me the top of the l... (show quote)

I have said before in here, use what you like and be happy. No one is making this personal. Your camera choice is your choice, period. We have just been discussing the technical and market changes and where they are going. No one would want to change systems all the time just because there is some new toy. You should only change systems if a different system better suits your way of shooting ,and makes it easier to create your art and/or service your clients. I was a Canon shooter for 4O years. In my case, I chose to switch to another system to get better performance in both stills and video for my professional and personal work. Cheers

tomcat

Architect1776 wrote:

Wow, nearly 50% market share. WOW. From Canon Rumors.
TOKYO, March 28, 2018—Canon Inc. has announced today that the Company’s interchangeable-lens digital cameras (digital SLR and compact-system cameras) have maintained the No. 1 share of the global market for 15 consecutive years1 from 2003 to 2017.

Canon develops the key components featured in its interchangeable-lens cameras—CMOS image sensors, image processors and interchangeable lenses—in the pursuit of “Speed, Comfort and High Image Quality, the core concept of the EOS series.” The Company effectively responds to the needs of a wide range of users through its extensive lineup of cameras catering to all levels of photography from beginner to professional and a total2 of 93 EF series interchangeable lenses.

In 2003, the dawn of digital SLR cameras, Canon introduced its breakthrough EOS Kiss Digital (EOS Digital Rebel or EOS 300D Digital in other regions). This groundbreaking camera, which was competitively priced and featured a compact, lightweight design, captured the top share of the global market and set the stage for growth in the digital SLR market. Since that time, Canon has continued to launch a range of groundbreaking products, including the professional-model EOS-1D series and the EOS 5D series, which paved the way for digital SLR video recording. The Company has further bolstered the EOS lineup by continuing to introduce new products including accessories, interchangeable lenses and the EOS M series of compact-system cameras. During 2017, Canon introduced the EOS 6D Mark II as part of an impressive lineup of interchangeable-lens camera products3 that supported the Company’s achievement of a 15th consecutive year at the top of the global market.

Canon will continue to refine its diverse imaging technologies based on its core optical technology, combining still-image, video and network capabilities to expand and create an even stronger EOS System that meets the needs of increasingly diverse users to promote the spread of photo and video culture. What’s more, thanks to advances in imaging technology, Canon is opening up new expressive avenues, where texture, three-dimensionality and a sense of realism can be recreated in both still images and videos, to support appealing imaging experiences.

And a 120 MP camera!!!!!

Canon shows off the 120MP APS-H sensor shooting video
By Richard | March 29, 2018 | Canon DSLR News

Remember that 120MP demo camera? Apparently it’s still around. Here’s a camera with that sensor module (APS-H 120MP) shooting at 9.4fps video for advanced imagery and manufacturing applications.

Apparently 4k is over, bring on 13.2K ;)

Keep in mind that Canon’s been promising an actual camera with this for some time, however the news gets more interesting with this video. Going by normal development timelines, this camera should be ready to production if Canon decides to release it sometime later this year or next year. Outside of the Canon development announcement, no other information or leaks on release have surfaced.

Wow, nearly 50% market share. WOW. From Canon Rumo... (show quote)

And your point is?