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Mar 31, 2018 09:55:19   #
car buff
 
I am using On, Like equal as well as lightroom. Great program.
Dennis

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Mar 31, 2018 09:56:19   #
car buff
 
Missed a key, it is On1. Out of Portland Or.

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Mar 31, 2018 10:04:00   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
Bison Bud wrote:
I've found DPP to be a very capable and adequate editor for most of my needs editing Canon Rebel DLSR and Canon Point and Shoot Raw files and I really like the program. However, I recently bought a used Pentax K3 and maybe I'm missing something, but I can't seem to load either the .PEF or .DNG raw files into DPP and have had to look elsewhere for a raw editor for the new Pentax files. Anyway like I said, maybe I've missed something and I thought I'd ask here if any of the experienced DPP users reading this thread know of a way to load and edit .dng files in DPP? Thanks for any possible input on this issue!
I've found DPP to be a very capable and adequate e... (show quote)

I think you will find that Canon only created DPP as an editor for its own cr2 raw files. pef is a Pentax raw file and dng is an Adobe digital negative raw file format. You can probably download the Pentax equivalent for their pef or dng files, DCU (Digital Camera Utility) from the Ricoh Imaging website. However, I have found it to be less than a great piece of software.

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Mar 31, 2018 10:05:47   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
car buff wrote:
I am using On, Like equal as well as lightroom. Great program.
Dennis

Unfortunately ON1 ran at a snail's pace on my computer It is probably an Open GL issue, but all my other editing software makes use of it and responds instantaneously. The program seems to run best on new systems with powerful new video cards. It seems to be a very capable program, but in my 4 weeks of playing with it, I found a lot of things I did not care for. In the end, I decided not to take advantage of the $69 special that ended last night. It's too bad. At that price I really tried to like ON1. It just took so much more work to get my images to look even nearly as good as I was able to do in DXO Photolab in much less time. I'm sure many others have had a much better experience than I did. At it's $69 special price for the new version it certainly had a lot going for it.

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Mar 31, 2018 11:11:15   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
That’s correct. i’ve done comparative tests, and DPP is 1/2 - 1 stop better than ACR for low noise at high ISOs, and that’s not trivial. The other difference as msilvers has pointed out, is that DPP applies your in-camera presets to your raw shots as well as JPEGs, but in terms of editing, it is very limited compared to LR. I convert raw in DPP and then export directly into PS (there’s an export to PS in the menu) for further editing, but you may choose a different workflow depending on your needs.
That’s correct. i’ve done comparative tests, and D... (show quote)




When I used Canons, I did initial conversion, color correction, and noise reduction in DPP, saved 16-bit TIFFs, and continued working in Lr or Ps.

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Mar 31, 2018 11:13:29   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
unlucky2 wrote:
Really, please tell me how you print from Camera Raw.


Adobe Camera Raw is used as the Develop module in Lightroom and as a filter in Photoshop. Either Lr or Ps can print. Lr’s Print module is the better of the two for printing.

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Mar 31, 2018 11:42:03   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
burkphoto wrote:
Adobe Camera Raw is used as the Develop module in Lightroom and as a filter in Photoshop. Either Lr or Ps can print. Lr’s Print module is the better of the two for printing.

Camera Raw is certainly the basis for the Develop module but Lightroom also has a significant number of features and options in Develop which are not part of Camera Raw as implemented in Photoshop. That's why so many people do all their raw edits in LR and pass the file to Photoshop for everything else. While, of course, the Digital Asset Management aspects of Lightroom are another reason that many use it, the real strength of Lightroom is the Develop module.

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Mar 31, 2018 20:05:13   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Camera Raw is certainly the basis for the Develop module but Lightroom also has a significant number of features and options in Develop which are not part of Camera Raw as implemented in Photoshop. That's why so many people do all their raw edits in LR and pass the file to Photoshop for everything else. While, of course, the Digital Asset Management aspects of Lightroom are another reason that many use it, the real strength of Lightroom is the Develop module.


Exactly. I find the greatest strength in the integration of the two apps... just as Adobe designed it. They built Lightroom for the big macro functions and refined Photoshop into a great pixel editor (and a lot more). Many of us bounce files back and forth until we like them.

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Mar 31, 2018 20:15:48   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Camera Raw is certainly the basis for the Develop module but Lightroom also has a significant number of features and options in Develop which are not part of Camera Raw as implemented in Photoshop. That's why so many people do all their raw edits in LR and pass the file to Photoshop for everything else. While, of course, the Digital Asset Management aspects of Lightroom are another reason that many use it, the real strength of Lightroom is the Develop module.


What does it have?

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Mar 31, 2018 20:28:20   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
TheDman wrote:
What does it have?

I'm not going to list all its features. If you have Lightroom you can check it out yourself and compare, feature for feature.

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Mar 31, 2018 20:39:31   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I'm not going to list all its features. If you have Lightroom you can check it out yourself and compare, feature for feature.


I mean what does it have that ACR doesn't.

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Mar 31, 2018 22:23:28   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TheDman wrote:
I mean what does it have that ACR doesn't.


Image database (the catalog)
Rating system
Better interface to ACR than Photoshop
Web posting tools for online gallery creations
Automation features for exporting and printing files
Create custom image processing “looks” and apply them to a batch, instantly.
Work on all file types non-destructively.
Create photo books and order copies.
Create print layouts and print directly to 16-bit printers from virgin raw conversions (to maximize the color gamut).

And on and on...

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Mar 31, 2018 23:04:56   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
franbires wrote:
First of all, I want to thank everyone who responded to my query about purchasing a Canon 6D vs 7Dii. I am finding myself wanting to do more post processing. I have Canon's DPP program but wanted to get some input from others on how this compares to PhotoShop, Lightroom, etc. I realize there are learning curves involved in using them, but that aside, how does Canon's DPP program compare to others in terms of final product? Thank You, Fran


Fran, there are very big difference between the three.
DPP is very easy to use. BUT it only does global adjustments.
LR will do local adjustments which are very important if your image has a lot of problems.
PS has layers and the ability to change a cat into a dog which the prior two can’t.

I use DPP FOR 95% of what I do. It recognizes the camera settings.
I use LR only for what I will print. After LR I usually go back to DPP for cloning at which LR is not very good.
I don’t use PS.
Good luck
SS

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Mar 31, 2018 23:26:52   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
burkphoto wrote:
Image database (the catalog)
Rating system
Better interface to ACR than Photoshop
Web posting tools for online gallery creations
Automation features for exporting and printing files
Create custom image processing “looks” and apply them to a batch, instantly.
Work on all file types non-destructively.
Create photo books and order copies.
Create print layouts and print directly to 16-bit printers from virgin raw conversions (to maximize the color gamut).

And on and on...
Image database (the catalog) br Rating system br B... (show quote)

How about Lightroom's virtual copies? Has that feature been added to Camera RAW since I last played with it?

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Mar 31, 2018 23:37:51   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Image database (the catalog)
Rating system
Better interface to ACR than Photoshop
Web posting tools for online gallery creations
Automation features for exporting and printing files
Create custom image processing “looks” and apply them to a batch, instantly.
Work on all file types non-destructively.
Create photo books and order copies.
Create print layouts and print directly to 16-bit printers from virgin raw conversions (to maximize the color gamut).

And on and on...
Image database (the catalog) br Rating system br B... (show quote)


We're talking about the develop module. He said there were a bunch of features in the develop module that ACR couldn't do.

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