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Mar 24, 2018 12:35:41   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
abraham.losa wrote:
Hello everyone,I’m just curious of what members in here have in mind when it comes to define a pro photographer or an amateur,because I’ve seen pictures taken by amateur people far better than some pro photographers,please ,,,I’m not point finger or something like that,I’m just curious on what a photographer need to be or have,to call themselve “pro”
Greetings to everyone!!!!!!👍🏻


Image quality rarely denotes professionalism in photography. A service oriented person, ready to do what is asked, and has the customer's satisfaction at the very top of the list of priorities - and uses a camera to accomplish this - that is a professional photographer. There are many photographers that produce mediocre work, but really understand customer service - and are successful enough to make a living and support a family.

By the same token, there are opinionated, arrogant, self-absorbed, judgmental, narcissistic, condescending yet otherwise excellent photographers, but they will never be pros by any measure, because they are so damaged. They may even earn a good living in spite of their character flaws. But I wouldn't call them professional.

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Mar 24, 2018 12:45:59   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
abraham.losa wrote:
Hello everyone,I’m just curious of what members in here have in mind when it comes to define a pro photographer or an amateur,because I’ve seen pictures taken by amateur people far better than some pro photographers,please ,,,I’m not point finger or something like that,I’m just curious on what a photographer need to be or have,to call themselve “pro”
Greetings to everyone!!!!!!👍🏻


I don't think you will find a consensus to your question and it's been asked here MANY times!
Here is a discussion I had here only a few months ago. Not worded the same but more or less.
check it out!
SS
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-495377-1.html

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Mar 24, 2018 13:03:54   #
Lens Creep
 
Mac wrote:
Pro is short for professional, professional means you get paid for what you do. It has nothing to do with skill, ability, or quality of work.


this is the only definition needed here. and it certainly does not mean 100% of income derived from photography - that is silly.
A person can be a professional painter and a professional mechanic at the same moment in time.

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Mar 24, 2018 13:08:46   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Lens Creep wrote:
this is the only definition needed here. and it certainly does not mean 100% of income derived from photography - that is silly.
A person can be a professional painter and a professional mechanic at the same moment in time.


One who knows the ins and outs and does well with his work.

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Mar 24, 2018 14:38:47   #
tracs101 Loc: Huntington NY
 
Longshadow wrote:
I had a friend who started a photography business that did well.
One day I asked him when was the last time he took the camera out for fun.
He said three years ago.


That often happens, because now that it has become a business, it is not fun anymore. Now it is for income and survival. Now you HAVE to do it.

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Mar 24, 2018 14:44:22   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
par4fore wrote:
A professional photographer is a photographer who earns 100% of his income from photography. This is the definition required for entrance into the secret Nikon and Canon factory support organizations. Amateur Photographer. People who earn less than 50% of their income from photography are amateurs.




!

Based on these definitions, what do you call someone who makes 51-99% of his/her income from photography?

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Mar 24, 2018 15:13:25   #
canon Lee
 
abraham.losa wrote:
Hello everyone,I’m just curious of what members in here have in mind when it comes to define a pro photographer or an amateur,because I’ve seen pictures taken by amateur people far better than some pro photographers,please ,,,I’m not point finger or something like that,I’m just curious on what a photographer need to be or have,to call themselve “pro”
Greetings to everyone!!!!!!👍🏻


Pro(fession) means getting paid! .....College football players turn "PRO(FESSIONAL)" when they get paid.. However "pro" does not always mean better... Some just don't make the cut..... Earning a living in photography is all about making money! A good PRO is one that has repeat business clients..

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Mar 24, 2018 15:15:04   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
Erv wrote:
Well I think you have to make enough money to have a good life and be able to keep your family happy and well. I did it for a bit, but way to many folks cutting in on my jobs and low balling their prices.


I bet that takes a big bite out of wedding photographers' incomes. Having family or friends of the couple who are decent amateur photographers doing an album and/or video "pro bono" or in lieu of the usual wedding gifts. In similar fashion, I bet high priced call girls who love to see the return of the days when "Nice" girls waited until marriage

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Mar 24, 2018 15:58:41   #
Photocraig
 
Professional photographers, as well as Professional writers, artists and others depend upon their paying clients' satisfaction. See the earlier post today about doing Theater Portraits for an amateur group and using LR and Portrait Pro for their post production. Everyone went wild because, I'm speculating, the actors looked like they imagined (in their dreams, perhaps) they'd like to look. Imagine producing results like that every day, as a requirement to get paid. Extend that to product shots of a toothbrush or can opener, buildings, hair styles or a seventeen layer double coconut layer cake on a white table cloth and white China--no reflections, please.

Judging a professional's image vs. an amateur's image is meaningless. Even in a landscape. For us lovers of our medium (amateurs) the virtues of the image are aesthetic. For, example, the 1990's Dewar's Scotch Campaign by DeWitt Jones, a stunning image of a golden hued fog-lifting over a stream side with a fly fisherman is a landscape. For DeWitt, I'm guessing that location shoot had budget of over $100K. For Dewar's, it was all about "Does the Scotland looking stream scene evoke the ethereal feeling we want associated with with our product and BRAND?" That judgement is often made by an Art Director who knows nothing about photography and all about page layout, colors and design and budget. Recuse back at Headquarters, she has a boss who is likely to say, you flew an entire crew and Professional Photographer all the way to Scotland, spent $100k and you brought me THAT!?!?!?? Just because he didn't love it.

Delivering images to demanding clients as they want them (even when they don't know enough to communicate what they want) is the signal skill that differentiates the few highly successful Professional photographers from the proverbial large Pizza. 'Cause they can feed a family of four consistently. Hopefully they can create a little wealth along the way.

And, did I mention Bride, Mom, Grandma, Sister and the ever angry Auntie--ZILLA??

C

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Mar 24, 2018 16:31:03   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
par4fore wrote:
A professional photographer is a photographer who earns 100% of his income from photography. This is the definition required for entrance into the secret Nikon and Canon factory support organizations. Amateur Photographer. People who earn less than 50% of their income from photography are amateurs.


What do you call people who earn 50%-99% of their income from photography?
Just curious. I have a lot of pro level equipment but I earn 0% of my income from photography so I'm in no danger of being a pro.

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Mar 24, 2018 16:38:31   #
lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
What do you call people who earn 50%-99% of their income from photography?
Just curious. I have a lot of pro level equipment but I earn 0% of my income from photography so I'm in no danger of being a pro.


It's ridiculous to quantify a person's profession by the percentage of money one earns in one endeavor. There are polymaths who do a number of things well and get paid for many of them. By my definition, if they care to apply it, they are professional in each and every one of their fields from which they earn an income.

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Mar 24, 2018 17:15:10   #
JPL
 
abraham.losa wrote:
Hello everyone,I’m just curious of what members in here have in mind when it comes to define a pro photographer or an amateur,because I’ve seen pictures taken by amateur people far better than some pro photographers,please ,,,I’m not point finger or something like that,I’m just curious on what a photographer need to be or have,to call themselve “pro”
Greetings to everyone!!!!!!👍🏻


If you mange to rip somone off by selling him crap pictures than you are a professional photographer.

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Mar 24, 2018 17:47:14   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
Wilsondl3 wrote:
I have a friend who made 100% of her living (a good living) doing Church portraits. She had one set up for her lights and the same settings for her camera the whole time. She had great timing on tripping the shutter and a great skill at getting good smile. Also she could do a great job of selling her pictures. Could she take a good landscape? No! Amateur comes from the Latin word for love and many get great skills doing what they love. - Dave


Many professional photographers specialize in only one type of photography, and don't really need to be able to do other types of photography. For example, a school yearbook portrait photographer is not required to have experience with macro-photography to be competent on the job. Oftentimes it is the hobbyist who will have a far broader set of photography skills than the professional, dedicating more time to explore and experiment with various techniques and styles.

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Mar 24, 2018 17:54:51   #
lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland
 
JPL wrote:
If you mange to rip somone off by selling him crap pictures than you are a professional photographer.


Exactly how do you force someone to buy crappy pictures?

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Mar 24, 2018 18:10:53   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
lesdmd wrote:
Exactly how do you force someone to buy crappy pictures?


It's not so much forcing them as it is doing crappy pictures for people who don't know the difference.

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