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Feb 26, 2018 20:08:35   #
Sjfh
 
Twardlow wrote:
But, don’t consider the NRA, Weapons Manufacturers or Owners and neutral commentators on the issue.

And impartiality requires we also listen to the kids from Florida, and other victims and interested parties, including emergency room physicians.


I don’t recall ever saying to exclude anyone. BTW....none of those on your list are impartial, either.

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Feb 26, 2018 20:11:08   #
Sjfh
 
Wellhiem wrote:
It's not really a case of punishing anyone. Some people may be perfectly capable of driving through a town at 150MPH. But, a lot of people aren't so the law prohibits it for all. The vast majority of gun owners may be perfectly responsible, But there doesn't seem to be any way of telling who is or isn't before an event. We seem to be stuck in a sort of all or nothing attitude. What's needed is some form of middle ground between guns for all and a blanket ban.

My suggestions would be:
Compulsory training and testing before being issued with a license.
Continued training on a regular basis, (I don't know what frequency that should be).
Re-testing every five years
Severe penalties for anyone selling a gun to someone who doesn't have a license with the onus being on the seller to ensure that the gun is registered in the new owners name before handing it over.
Accountability for every round of ammunition purchased.
Gun theft to be treated as a serious crime, (not only in terms of sentencing, but also the effort put into recovering them).
Practice shooting to be restricted to registered firing ranges, (this would aid accoutability of amunition).
Age restriction, (probably 21 but I don't know).

None of the above could be achieved over night, so there would need to be period between announcing these rules and enforcing them in order to give people the oportunity to comply.
There also needs to be some sort of attitude change. In most other countries, if you have a child who's not fitting in well at school, has become something of a recluse with no friends, and seems to be bullied, we tend to encourage extracaricular activities where they can meet new people and make friends. We don't try to cheer them up by buying them a semmi-automatic rifle and encouraging them to take it to their next show and tell.
It's not really a case of punishing anyone. Some p... (show quote)

Your speed limit analogy doesn’t outlaw driving. Nor does it outlaw using a Maserati when a Chevette will get you there just as well.

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Feb 26, 2018 21:00:36   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
thom w wrote:
Effective laws will restrict the availability of guns to outlaws.


Laws such as ...?

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Feb 26, 2018 21:08:49   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
Sjfh wrote:
Your speed limit analogy doesn’t outlaw driving. Nor does it outlaw using a Maserati when a Chevette will get you there just as well.


That's true, but, you do require a license, training and testing.

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Feb 26, 2018 21:29:39   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
LWW wrote:
Laws such as ...?


For one requiring you to keep track of any guns you purchase unless they are legally transferred to an eligible buyer. I would like to see a heavy fine for allowing your gun to be stolen and if it happens too often you should be determined to not be a responsible gun owner. Of course there will have to be some allowable exceptions. Laws that place further restrictions might be considered but only if research indicates they will cause more good than the inconvenience. The first thing that needs done is serious research. I want fewer gun deaths. I also don't like laws based on emotion, even though that is how most laws get passed.

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Feb 26, 2018 21:53:25   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Sjfh wrote:
I don’t recall ever saying to exclude anyone. BTW....none of those on your list are impartial, either.


I didn’t say they were impartial, but that they were interested parties.

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Feb 26, 2018 22:43:39   #
Sjfh
 
Wellhiem wrote:
That's true, but, you do require a license, training and testing.


That’s currently required for both.

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Feb 26, 2018 23:39:20   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
Sjfh wrote:
That’s currently required for both.


Do you mean that training and testing are required for a firearm license?

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Feb 27, 2018 03:02:11   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
thom w wrote:
For one requiring you to keep track of any guns you purchase unless they are legally transferred to an eligible buyer. I would like to see a heavy fine for allowing your gun to be stolen and if it happens too often you should be determined to not be a responsible gun owner. Of course there will have to be some allowable exceptions. Laws that place further restrictions might be considered but only if research indicates they will cause more good than the inconvenience. The first thing that needs done is serious research. I want fewer gun deaths. I also don't like laws based on emotion, even though that is how most laws get passed.
For one requiring you to keep track of any guns yo... (show quote)


So your only solution is to punish the victims of burglary?

How about if we just enforce the laws we have.

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Feb 27, 2018 03:58:41   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
LWW wrote:
So your only solution is to punish the victims of burglary?

How about if we just enforce the laws we have.


Because the laws that we have are not adequate and you along with the NRA do not want to strengthen them. Want a farce, to try and identify as a victim. The real victims are the thousands killed every year from your desire to expand your sexual organ.

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Feb 27, 2018 05:38:38   #
Sjfh
 
Wellhiem wrote:
Do you mean that training and testing are required for a firearm license?


Yes

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Feb 27, 2018 05:40:37   #
Sjfh
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
Because the laws that we have are not adequate and you along with the NRA do not want to strengthen them. Want a farce, to try and identify as a victim. The real victims are the thousands killed every year from your desire to expand your sexual organ.


Now that’s a rational argument.

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Feb 27, 2018 06:39:42   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
Because the laws that we have are not adequate and you along with the NRA do not want to strengthen them. Want a farce, to try and identify as a victim. The real victims are the thousands killed every year from your desire to expand your sexual organ.


So what laws would you suggest?

Oh, keep your homoerotic interests about my sexual organ to yourself.

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Feb 27, 2018 06:41:02   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Sjfh wrote:
Now that’s a rational argument.


Asking for rational thought from leftists only leads to frustration.

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Feb 27, 2018 09:37:29   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
LWW wrote:
So what laws would you suggest?

Oh, keep your homoerotic interests about my sexual organ to yourself.


Let’s outlaw semi-automatic weapons. According to Judge Scalia they are not covered by the 2nd amendment and in three trips to the Supreme Court, they have been determined to not be protected.

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