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Feb 25, 2018 14:08:53   #
Sjfh
 
....the rationale behind passing more and stricter gun laws?

How will additional laws keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who, by definition, disregard the law?

Are responsible gun owners to be feared? Does picking up a handful of metal transform one into a criminal? If so, how does that happen?

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Feb 25, 2018 14:17:13   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Can't help with the answers.

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Feb 25, 2018 14:23:26   #
Sjfh
 
DaveO wrote:
Can't help with the answers.


I don’t think you’re alone by any shot of the imagination.

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Feb 25, 2018 14:43:43   #
BasqueLady Loc: Woodburn OR
 
The mass shooters were not criminals until they pulled the trigger and shot innnocent victims.

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Feb 25, 2018 14:45:31   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
BasqueLady wrote:
The mass shooters were not criminals until they pulled the trigger and shot innnocent victims.


A least a couple were known to be mentally unfit.

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Feb 25, 2018 14:45:51   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Sjfh wrote:
....the rationale behind passing more and stricter gun laws?

How will additional laws keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who, by definition, disregard the law?

Are responsible gun owners to be feared? Does picking up a handful of metal transform one into a criminal? If so, how does that happen?


Effective laws will restrict the availability of guns to outlaws. Laws that don't rely on outlaws following laws. There are many possibilities

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Feb 25, 2018 14:47:41   #
Sjfh
 
BasqueLady wrote:
The mass shooters were not criminals until they pulled the trigger and shot innnocent victims.


How does that explain how a law will keep the gun out of the criminal’s hands? And how do you know they’re all upstanding citizens until they lay hands on a scary-looking piece of metal and plastic?

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Feb 25, 2018 14:47:54   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
.

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Feb 25, 2018 14:48:52   #
EyeSawYou
 
BasqueLady wrote:
The mass shooters were not criminals until they pulled the trigger and shot innnocent victims.


Would it have helped if he had said "criminal minded"?

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Feb 25, 2018 14:49:23   #
Sjfh
 
thom w wrote:
Effective laws will restrict the availability of guns to outlaws. Laws that don't rely on outlaws following laws. There are many possibilities


Is that how the guns get onto the black market? Upstanding citizens buy them legally and then just sell them to anyone in a back alley? Wouldn’t that make the buyer a criminal?

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Feb 25, 2018 14:49:46   #
Sjfh
 
thom w wrote:
I'm pretty sure being criminals doesn't rely on the victims being innocent.


What?

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Feb 25, 2018 14:51:20   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Sjfh wrote:
What?


trying to be cute. Thought better of it.

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Feb 25, 2018 14:54:27   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Sjfh wrote:
Is that how the guns get onto the black market? Upstanding citizens buy them legally and then just sell them to anyone in a back alley? Wouldn’t that make the buyer a criminal?


Responsible gun owners don't allow their guns to become "black market guns". I'm pretty sure most illegal guns, or "guns in the hands outlaws", once belonged to legal owners. Whether you hand your gun to a criminal or allow them to steal it, the results are the same. I'm not interested in coming after your gun. I do wish to keep "pro gun persons" honest.

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Feb 25, 2018 14:58:20   #
Sjfh
 
thom w wrote:
Responsible gun owners don't allow their guns to become "black market guns". I'm pretty sure most illegal guns, or "guns in the hands outlaws", once belonged to legal owners.


So how does the law work effectively? You aren’t answering the question.

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Feb 25, 2018 14:58:59   #
Sjfh
 
thom w wrote:
Responsible gun owners don't allow their guns to become "black market guns". I'm pretty sure most illegal guns, or "guns in the hands outlaws", once belonged to legal owners. Whether you hand your gun to a criminal or allow them to steal it, the results are the same. I'm not interested in coming after your gun. I do wish to keep "pro gun persons" honest.


Ok. What would your ideal law say?

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