drainbamage

I don't know who the author of this is. I copied it from a blog about the shutdown.


1) They are an economic necessity - Not true. The idea that a bunch of desperately poor, uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking foreigners are an economic necessity is ludicrous. In fact, when you compare cost vs. benefit, it is obvious that they are not only NOT a necessity, they are not even an asset. Rather, they are a liability and a huge one at that.

2) They do work Americans won’t do - Not true. They do work Americans won’t do for $7 an hour (especially if Americans can collect welfare and unemployment instead). Of course, if you got rid of the illegals, the jobs wouldn’t pay $7 an hour. The people who wanted the work done would have to pay a wage that was attractive enough to get Americans to do the work. And it might even be enough to get Americans off the unemployment and welfare dole and back into the taxpaying workforce!

3) We benefit from all that “cheap” labor - This is nonsense. The only people who benefit from the cheap labor are the unscrupulous people who hire illegal immigrants. Taxpayers are left holding the bag. Ultimately, it is they who must pay to support all the Americans who have been put out of work by illegals and must also provide billions of dollars in services and benefits to the illegals themselves.

4) They are just trying to make better lives - Aren’t we all? The difference is that most of us understand that we DO NOT have a right to acquire by illegal means those things that we find difficult to acquire by legal means. And we certainly don’t have the right to do it in a foreign country.

5) It is impossible to round up and deport the illegals - We don’t have to. All we have to do is remove the incentives that brought them here in the first place. No jobs. No housing. No taxpayer financed services or benefits (including education). Once we remove the incentives that brought them here, they will leave on their own.

6) Immigration control is racist / xenophobic - This is just another play of the race card by people who have no other cards to play. Immigration control is the world-wide status quo. There is nothing racist about it. Furthermore, the USA welcomes LEGAL immigrants of all races and ethnicities from all over the world who have gone through the legal immigration process. This is not just a bad argument, it is an attempt to create racial hatred and division.

7) We are a nation of immigrants - This is the “BIG LIE”. The vast majority of Americans are native-born. I am not an immigrant. Nor were my parents. Nor were my grandparents. We are a nation that has, historically, allowed and even encouraged LEGAL immigration. And we continue to do so. The issue at hand is illegal immigration, which has nothing to do with legal immigration.

8) They are people. We must treat them humanely - Yes & yes. But lets not pretend like they are victims who were dragged here kicking and screaming against their will. Nothing could be further from the truth. They came of their own free will and for their own benefit and they broke the law to do it. People should not be rewarded for breaking laws and committing crimes. Sending them home is the right thing to do. There is nothing “draconian” or “mean-spirited” about it.

9) It is wrong to break up families- Yes. Unfortunately, families are often broken up by criminal activity. If you don’t believe it, just drop by any prison or jail on visiting day. We can’t keep families together if some family members choose to participate in criminal activity.

10) They work & contribute to our society - So do I. And if I break the law and commit crimes, I can expect to pay a penalty of some kind. Anything from a small fine to the death penalty. I do not receive a reward (sanctuary). Why should we treat foreign criminals better than our own citizens?

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

Good points and hard to make a contrary argument.
--Bob

wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska

Just think - if there were no immigrants none of us would be here. - dave

drainbamage

7) We are a nation of immigrants - This is the “BIG LIE”. The vast majority of Americans are native-born. I am not an immigrant. Nor were my parents. Nor were my grandparents. We are a nation that has, historically, allowed and even encouraged LEGAL immigration. And we continue to do so. The issue at hand is illegal immigration, which has nothing to do with legal immigration.

The operative word is LEGAL. We are supposed to be a nation of LEGAL immigrants and their descendants.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

Dave, your statement, on the surface, is absolutely correct. However, the article is discussing illegal immigration, as opposed to legal. There is nothing wrong with legal immigration. That's how we got here, at least I hope that is how. I know my grandparents played it by the rules. Ellis Island, sponsor, work, study, take the citizen test at the earliest possible time. The other very revealing statement my grandfather made was in response to being asked if he was going to miss his old country. He said, "No. This is my country".

He became just an American, not a hyphenated one.
--Bob

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

It’s VERY easy to make contrary arguments, especially since there are no supported facts.
It’s purely op-ed!! One right wingers view, and no more than that.
SS

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

So Sharp Shooter, instead of just saying there are no supporting facts, why don't you try to convince us why having open borders is a good thing. I'd love to hear your arguments.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

It was easy to bbe a legal immigrant when all that was necessary was to get here.

"6) Immigration control is racist / xenophobic - This is just another play of the race card by people who have no other cards to play. Immigration control is the world-wide status quo. There is nothing racist about it. Furthermore, the USA welcomes LEGAL immigrants of all races and ethnicities from all over the world who have gone through the legal immigration process. This is not just a bad argument, it is an attempt to create racial hatred and division."

Not true of this administration. They want to cut legal immigration by at least 50% and they want them to be white.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

"I know my grandparents played it by the rules."

I think you will find there were very few rules.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Please show a quote of anyone lobbying for open borders.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

I don't particularly need to show quotes because Leftists almost never come out and say what they really mean. Hillary Clinton said "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, ..." in a paid private speech in Brasil, and she tried to keep the recording of that speech a secret. They know full well that the average American will think they are nuts if they put their cards on the table. It is more relevant to ask "show me a quote from any Liberal or Leftist who says they want to prevent anyone at all from entering the United States." There is no such quote because there is not a single Democratic politician who wants to limit the influx of foreigners in any way. This is what is called "open borders."

I don't know if you are in favor of open borders or not, but I am going to put the same question to you that I put to Liberals who deny that they are for open borders. If you, Thom, had the power to control our borders, who would you prevent from entering our country? Would you have any criteria or standard for letting people in?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-open-borders-kass-1012-20161011-column.html

drainbamage

I know for sure that I would want people who want to come live here to at the very least have a thorough medical examination, which is one of the biggest requirements for citizenship. I would think they would want to speak the language of the country they want to move to (which is a requirement also). Illegals think that because there is a large group of them, they have a voice, somehow. They demand things for themselves without having to obtain those things the way every other person living legally in the country has to. Why should we have to give them that? I'm sick of paying for them, and that part is only going to get worse if we keep our borders open.

Yes, it is more stringent to become a US citizen now than our forefathers, but there are good reasons for that. Crime, disease, drugs, mental illness all play into those reasons.

Sjfh

You didn’t read the OP, did you?

If you had you wouldn’t have made a statement that clearly outs you as having not the slightest clue.

Sjfh

So why don’t you make a contrary argument instead of just shooting your mouth off as usual?

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

Thank you for answering. I expect that from a Conservative. It is the Liberals that I am waiting to hear from, because I have never gotten one answer yet to this immigration question from a Liberal. Maybe Thom will be different?