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Dec 26, 2017 13:45:43   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
rmalarz wrote:
Someone on this forum asked a rather remedial question regarding the D850. I downloaded the manual to find the answer. One of the first things that caught my attention was on the very front page of the manual.

I quote, "Read this manual thoroughly before using the camera".

I wonder how many follow this "prime directive". I know when I got my D700, the only thing I did prior to reading the manual, was put a battery in the charger. Then, I could do two things at the same time, charge battery and read. I didn't even pick up the camera until I'd read through the entire manual. Yup, feet up on the desk, a cup of coffee nearby, the battery in the charger, and the manual nestled in my lap. I read every page.

Then, I placed the fully charged battery in the camera and read through the manual again. This time working on each section with the camera in hand.

Oh, I did the same thing when I got my D800e. Though very similar to the D700, I still read through the entire manual before picking up the camera.

I wish girlfriends came with the same sort of documentation.

--Bob
Someone on this forum asked a rather remedial ques... (show quote)
They do, (it's called listening)!

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Dec 26, 2017 13:48:11   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
LarryFitz wrote:
I receive a Canon T6 last year, read the manual. Provided lots of technical information, but no why. When I started following UHH, I found new information like Back button Focus, yes the manual had this info, but UHH provided the why and why not use it.
There is nothing in the T6 manual on how to take HDR pictures, UHH provide information on what I need to do, the manual provides data on how to bracket to three images to use for HDR. The manual is only one of several tools, UHH is another.

The manual is exactly what it is and what it needs to be, how to use that camera, it is not meant to give instructions on the basic's of photography in general!

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Dec 26, 2017 13:52:42   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
LFingar wrote:
Read the manual before using the camera (or new car ,TV, hand grenade, etc)? Seriously? Everybody knows that manuals only exist so that you can use them to find out what you did wrong after you screw-up!


That's assuming you can remember WHERE you put the manual!!! LoL
SS

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Dec 26, 2017 13:55:36   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Years ago I read the manual in Bob fashion. Nowaday, I read the manual too but I read the PDF version keeping my manual in pristine condition. Oh yes I do read the manuals thru. I also read manuals on cameras that I don't own. In fact I read the manual on my cameras before I bought them now because I can get them without buying the cameras. I read the manual then went to the store to check the camera out. That way I know how to use it when I am at the store.
If I compare several cameras as potential purchases I would read all the manuals before making decision.
Years ago I read the manual in Bob fashion. Nowada... (show quote)


Great Idea on reading manuals on cameras you don't presently own but are interested in for one reason or another... my pdf. folder is full of them.

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Dec 26, 2017 13:57:13   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
rmalarz wrote:
Someone on this forum asked a rather remedial question regarding the D850. I downloaded the manual to find the answer. One of the first things that caught my attention was on the very front page of the manual.

I quote, "Read this manual thoroughly before using the camera".

I wonder how many follow this "prime directive". I know when I got my D700, the only thing I did prior to reading the manual, was put a battery in the charger. Then, I could do two things at the same time, charge battery and read. I didn't even pick up the camera until I'd read through the entire manual. Yup, feet up on the desk, a cup of coffee nearby, the battery in the charger, and the manual nestled in my lap. I read every page.

Then, I placed the fully charged battery in the camera and read through the manual again. This time working on each section with the camera in hand.

Oh, I did the same thing when I got my D800e. Though very similar to the D700, I still read through the entire manual before picking up the camera.

I wish girlfriends came with the same sort of documentation.

--Bob
Someone on this forum asked a rather remedial ques... (show quote)


And I wish that credit cards came with the following warning: Keep out of reach of wives and girlfriends.

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Dec 26, 2017 13:58:15   #
BebuLamar
 
Hank Radt wrote:
I am an inveterate manual reader. Which I did when I got my a6300. But after reading it, I had no idea how to really work the camera (I re-took up photography after a multi-decade hiatus, having learned with B&W film, in the darkroom, where basically you controlled the aperture and shutter speed, after selecting whichever seemed right for what you were trying to shoot).

Yes, it told me what all the function buttons were, but nothing about what they would do. So I struggled along with some basic settings, trying different things without any understanding of what I was doing until I found UHH and learned that I was not a complete idiot - in one of the posts, someone mentioned Friedman's and Busch's Guides and I downloaded the former, ready to download the latter as well if needed. I read the guide, camera in hand, and finally - FINALLY - figured out what these settings were meant to do. I got the camera set up the way I wanted, started shooting again and - voila - now had the camera I thought I had bought! Since then, I'm a happy camper - love the camera.

I don't know whether useless manuals are just a Sony problem (and I sent them a rather pointed note...), but if other camera manuals are similar, the whole industry needs a good kick in the _____. In any case, they have created a nice little business for Friedman and Busch and, frankly, I had no issue spending the $15 for the Kindle version.
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I must agree with you although I am one who loves to read manuals. I considered the A6000 for my wife so I download the manual and read it. I couldn't figure out how to use the damn thing seriously. I still can't figure out the differences between the 2 A modes on the camera.

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Dec 26, 2017 14:11:34   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
SharpShooter wrote:
That's assuming you can remember WHERE you put the manual!!! LoL
SS


Which brings up another point: When I was single I could lay something, keys, papers, manuals, whatever, on my coffee table, kitchen counter, etc and it would stay there till the end of time. Millions of years from now when the sun dies out and explodes, as the expanding fireball engulfs the earth, the item I laid down would still be in the exact same spot. Now that I am married though..........!

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Dec 26, 2017 14:15:57   #
BebuLamar
 
LFingar wrote:
Which brings up another point: When I was single I could lay something, keys, papers, manuals, whatever, on my coffee table, kitchen counter, etc and it would stay there till the end of time. Millions of years from now when the sun dies out and explodes, as the expanding fireball engulfs the earth, the item I laid down would still be in the exact same spot. Now that I am married though..........!


I have a box where I keep all my manuals and I know where it is. That's the reason why I don't actually read the manuals but only the PDF files of the manuals.

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Dec 26, 2017 15:23:49   #
BBBruce77 Loc: Eureka, Montana
 
I used to own a camera store from mid 70's to early 90's and the manuals were usually written by someone for whom english was NOT their first language. To say they were confusing is putting it mildly. That is were I came into the picture as I would spend as much time as necessary to help my customer feel comfortable with their new camera and or lens or flash. I had fun with my customers and enjoyed the teaching experience. In general women are much better students as they actually listen to what you are telling and or showing them. Ah the good old days...

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Dec 26, 2017 15:47:32   #
sjb3
 
From mcveed's post:
Quote:
How is someone new to digital photography, or even photography itself, supposed to make anything out of this?

"5. Select [Set] and press the Q button.
Selecting [Set] saves current settings, overwriting the registered settings.
To cancel the registration, select [Reset].
Settings that can be saved to the Custom Modes Menu directory€ (P. 165)
Settings are preset in each Custom Mode. Selecting [Reset] > [Full] when resetting
camera settings restores the preset settings for each Custom Mode. See Default Custom
Mode options€ for default settings (P. 175)."
How is someone new to digital photography, or even... (show quote)



Well, this is how I would...



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Dec 26, 2017 15:51:55   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
rmalarz wrote:
Someone on this forum asked a rather remedial question regarding the D850. I downloaded the manual to find the answer. One of the first things that caught my attention was on the very front page of the manual.

I quote, "Read this manual thoroughly before using the camera".

I wonder how many follow this "prime directive". I know when I got my D700, the only thing I did prior to reading the manual, was put a battery in the charger. Then, I could do two things at the same time, charge battery and read. I didn't even pick up the camera until I'd read through the entire manual. Yup, feet up on the desk, a cup of coffee nearby, the battery in the charger, and the manual nestled in my lap. I read every page.

Then, I placed the fully charged battery in the camera and read through the manual again. This time working on each section with the camera in hand.

Oh, I did the same thing when I got my D800e. Though very similar to the D700, I still read through the entire manual before picking up the camera.

I wish girlfriends came with the same sort of documentation.

--Bob
Someone on this forum asked a rather remedial ques... (show quote)


Oh but they do. Just check out the girls mother and you will see a mirror image of how they will act. My oldest son always said to check out the future mother-in-law in case you have an inclination to pop the question. What you are seeing in the older version is exactly what you will be getting.

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Dec 26, 2017 16:50:59   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
I never start by reading the manual. I go as far as I can without it, and only read the manual when I get hung up on something. Same thing with radio equipment. Reading the manual takes all the fun out of it.

However, reading the user reviews first can make it even more fun...

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Dec 26, 2017 21:38:20   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
There are two kinds of people. Those who read the manual before they do anything. And those who only read it as a last resort. I get grief from my wife because I tend to be of the former rather than the latter type.

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Dec 26, 2017 22:10:00   #
jethro779 Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
dragonfist wrote:
Oh but they do. Just check out the girls mother and you will see a mirror image of how they will act. My oldest son always said to check out the future mother-in-law in case you have an inclination to pop the question. What you are seeing in the older version is exactly what you will be getting.


I wish I had heard this before I married the first wife.

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Dec 26, 2017 22:25:00   #
Haydon
 
rmalarz wrote:


I wish girlfriends came with the same sort of documentation.

--Bob


Good point Bob but it would follow the same analogy as "nothing but confusing" documentation:)

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