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Dec 24, 2017 00:31:52   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
anotherview wrote:
This assertion has become time-worn in the debate of film versus digital photography: "you had to think lot more about your shots back in the day as you had only a limited number of shots with film."

It supposes at least two things: One, that digital photographers do sloppy photography and in haste because the cost of wasted shots remains negligible; and two, that digital photographers do not take as much care as a film photographer when doing their photography. This assertion thus insults digital photographers as a way to devalue their work, and as if to say only film photographers function as real photographers. Baloney.

I can attest that in my case I apply care when doing my photography. In fact, nearly all my compositions in the field require no cropping in post-processing later.
Of course, getting exposure right in the camera, from what I gather, still presents a challenge to the digital photographer just as it did to the film photographer.

For the record, I have no beef with film photography. It represents another valid method of doing photography. Further, digital photography rests on the long history and practice of film photography. Moreover, a digital photographer would do well to study the work of film photographers for their accomplishments.

Happy Holidays!
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Dec 24, 2017 00:34:46   #
geodowns Loc: Yale, Michigan
 
Very well put. It started somewhere. Its kind of like classical music verses all other kind of music. All have talents, but classical is very, very precise. No one gonna notice a rock band making a mistake. You probably never notice it, you figure its just part of it. Not so with classical music. It as to be dead on. So are you a rock star or do you play a violin or a oboe. Same goes with anything we do. That's what make a pro a pro. Don't matter if its music, photography, or carpenter or whatever you do. An airline pilot better be a pro and do it right every time. You wont risk your life taking photos, unless your a spy or recon pilot. The way I see it if your getting paid, you better be a pro. If your not your on vacation or having fun and enjoy the hobby and you might make some money along the way and you might become a pro.

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Dec 24, 2017 00:35:13   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
alx wrote:
As long as there have been cameras there have been snapshot takers, photographers and GREAT photographers. Every generation of equipment has had its share of each, but one thing for sure is that the GREATS work at it and have a feel for it inside them, regardless of what they hold in their hands.

One thing that helps is practice. Like any other skill, art or talent, it takes practice to achieve greatness. It takes time and effort to learn and hone ones skills, to make them second nature.

In that regard, the delete button is our friend in the digital age. We can go out and shoot our hearts out. If it is a bad day, that delete button (or format on a really bad day) wipes the slate clean and lets us start anew at no cost. Memory cards are like an infinite film roll in that sense. That means our mistakes don't cost us so dearly. We get to learn and grow and reach for more.

In the end though, the EYES have it. Teach them well and you can reach for greatness.
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Some photographers are also snapshot takers, I'd like to think that my practice at "serious" photography helps me at least with composing my snapshots.

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Dec 24, 2017 00:43:35   #
alx Loc: NJ
 
James Slick wrote:
Some photographers are also snapshot takers, I'd like to think that my practice at "serious" photography helps me at least with composing my snapshots.


Then keep clicking away! Having fun and enjoying just might be the most important part of it all.

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Dec 24, 2017 01:46:37   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
James Slick wrote:
The BUFF is like a Zippo lighter or a Bic pen. Sometimes they get it right on the money, And, if it ain't broke, Don't fix it!

9mm Hi-Powers and .45 1911s likewise come to mind!


Actually, the B52 has been modified many times over the years for modern warfare. The air frame is one thing, but what's inside has changed a great deal over the years. As for the two guns you mention, they were designed for combat and ball ammunition, and if you take a vintage one of them and try to shoot anything else, you may be looking at a jammed pistol. Almost anything can be made better over time, and for the purpose of this discussion, that would be cameras.

Of course you need to use your brain when you shoot pictures and shouldn't rely on post processing to make up for your mistakes or lack of attention. Having watched this forum and the pictures that have been posted, I would say that most of the photographers who post do make a great deal of effort to produce high quality photos with their equipment.

Also, don't get the feeling that I'm against anyone who uses film. My son in law has my old Nikon FA and several lenses. He loves darkroom work, and more power to him. I feed him a new lens once in awhile.

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Dec 24, 2017 01:58:07   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
alx wrote:
Then keep clicking away! Having fun and enjoying just might be the most important part of it all.


Yes, It is! For all of my "serious" gear (Modern and vintage) I keep a Samsung P&S at arm's length at all times (charges via micro USB, so it's a "companion" to my phone.) Just in case "something happens" and I want something a little "more" than my phone's camera, The photos are "just snapshots", but often have the best memories! Happy Holidays!

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Dec 24, 2017 05:14:58   #
jzett
 
Wonder if the old timers of the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s miss the gear they had fifty years prior.

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Dec 24, 2017 06:35:57   #
bobramewe
 
jzett wrote:
Wonder if the old timers of the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s miss the gear they had fifty years prior.


yep..
an original BSA Gold Star 500
A Sunbeam Tiger
Norton 850
Honda 500 V4
Ducati 500 twin
A GSXR 1100
BMW 2002

they all had Carburators!!!

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Dec 24, 2017 07:23:54   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Useful observations.
alx wrote:
As long as there have been cameras there have been snapshot takers, photographers and GREAT photographers. Every generation of equipment has had its share of each, but one thing for sure is that the GREATS work at it and have a feel for it inside them, regardless of what they hold in their hands.

One thing that helps is practice. Like any other skill, art or talent, it takes practice to achieve greatness. It takes time and effort to learn and hone ones skills, to make them second nature.

In that regard, the delete button is our friend in the digital age. We can go out and shoot our hearts out. If it is a bad day, that delete button (or format on a really bad day) wipes the slate clean and lets us start anew at no cost. Memory cards are like an infinite film roll in that sense. That means our mistakes don't cost us so dearly. We get to learn and grow and reach for more.

In the end though, the EYES have it. Teach them well and you can reach for greatness.
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Dec 24, 2017 08:22:33   #
SpyderJan Loc: New Smyrna Beach. FL
 
geodowns wrote:
A horse is a horse of course, mr Ed remote control of sort. I find bw can be very challenging. Grey sky in color, grey in bw. Blue sky in color, still grey in bw. Most bw are grey to light gray. But it really needs to be from pure black to white. I always had fun with that using the slowest film I could find. Here's a pretty bad crunchy print of me in 69, Vietnam.


Welcome home my brother.

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Dec 24, 2017 08:29:49   #
SpyderJan Loc: New Smyrna Beach. FL
 
jzett wrote:
Wonder if the old timers of the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s miss the gear they had fifty years prior.


I know I miss every camera that I no longer have. I bought my first REAL camera in the 60's. It was a Nikkormat, and I recently replaced it. I don't use it as much, but it is still a great camera.

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Dec 24, 2017 09:01:03   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Film or digital - its all photography. I still have my Canon A1. The OP's original post reminds me of the people who look at an image and say "Wow - you must have a really great camera".

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Dec 24, 2017 09:06:23   #
ChackbayGuy Loc: South Louisiana
 
Back in the 60s and 70s, I had camera systems from minox all the way up to 8X10 studio and a full darkroom. Bought my 35mm film in 100 ft rolls. I think the P-51 is the most "perfect" airplane ever (even got to ride in one and go through aerobatics).

All that said, I'm now "mostly digital" (have a Nikon F and a Canon AE-1) and having a blast getting back into photography after a 35 yr break. AND, if I could afford a plane, it would have a glass panel (but still be a tail dragger).

My two cents. Enjoy it all and Merry Christmas to all.... John

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Dec 24, 2017 09:25:49   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
Welcome home bro, like your facebook page.... and Thank you for your service, I also spent some time in the 8th back in 69-70.

rodpark2 wrote:
I started taking pictures in Vietnam in '67. War is tough on cameras so I went through several. I got hooked on photography and when I got home I built a darkroom and began a lifetime obsession. I still have most of my slides and negatives and more prints than I can count. I shot my last film in 2004 and have been all digital since then. I've made a living doing every conceivable type commercial work and teaching photography at local colleges for 35 years. I can say without reservations teaching film was far easier. The menus in digital cameras are complex beyond belief and a simple wrong setting can really foul things up. I spend much more class time explaining the camera than in the film days. While it's true that some shots can be done easily in the point n shoot style, most really outstanding shots require overriding automatic camera choices. The darkroom is now replaced by the editing programs and that too is very complex. For me, picking up any old manual film camera and shooting is a piece of cake. A new unfamiliar digital requires a good deal of familiarization with the camera. I eat, sleep and breathe photography, and love it all. Different yes, more or less difficult, sometimes and maybe.
The one thing I'll always love about digital is the thousands of dollars I've saved on film and processing/supplies. I can shoot more without having to spend tomorrow's rent. There's also the share factor. I travel a lot. At the end of most days I edit and upload the day's best images for people around the world to see and join in on my adventures. I use the latest and best equipment, along with tiny point n shoot cameras and my iPhone. They all have a purpose and there are occassions when I prefer one over the other. I love adapting old 60's-70's manual focus lenses to my mirrorless and SLR digital cameras. Most lenses have a purpose or look that works for some subjects. I'm a happy old guy today and can spend a great deal of time exploring and documenting my world. Photography has given purpose to my life and the ever changing technology helps keep my 73 yr old mind sharp. G'day mates! https://www.facebook.com/roddy.parkinson
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Dec 24, 2017 09:43:20   #
Elmo Loc: Texas
 
I’d just note that there are really FOUR basic parameters in any photography. Focus, aperature, shutter speed, AND ISO. The latter is, of course, equivalent to one’s choice of film in the old days.

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