Lowrider Loc: Kennesaw, GA

I believe the issue here is chronological age.

jcdonelson

Really guys?

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Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

You talk about casting the first stone, and being judgemental. Have you read your own history of posts?

What was that old line about a mote and a plank or something similar?

d3200prime

I don't know which post or posts you a referring to but I am sure you will make sure I know. None of us are perfect. Never said I was perfect. If indeed I have been judgmental in some of my posts, then shame on me, but I stand behind every word I posted about Los-Angeles-Shooters post. We, mankind, are all hypocrites at times. I guess I really should have said shame on us all but I really made no judgement against Los-Angeles-Shooters post. So, I guess you are right, in a way, but deflection is a poor way to respond to correction and you probably have not learned a thing. BTW: you misspelled judgmental. OOPS, there I go being judgmental again. A thousand pardons! Merry Christmas!

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Thanks for catching my spelling error. Not always the easiest thing to catch early in the morning on a mobile phone. I have no intention of pointing out which specific posts of yours caused my reaction, but just checking the first page or two of your posts was sufficient. Perhaps it is just a matter of the culture or the community you live in, one that has different moral or ethical values than mine.

I have no interest in helping someone profit by publishing nude photographs of a celebrity without his or her permission if they cause embarrassment or damage. It seems clear from Los-Angeles-Shooter's posts that his ethical values are very different from my own, and that his motives are purely profit-based. If he needs advice, he can pay for it without exploiting people on a forum for selfish gain. On the other hand I don't think that being a sexual predator, or dating under age girls is acceptable behavior either. Apparently some people in some communities do, thus potentially compromising their own professed belief systems and the perception of their culture.

It is clear that Los-Angeles-Shooter believes that he has the legal right to go ahead with his idea. If he does so without the subject's permission and without regard for any of the resulting consequences then I certainly do take a judgmental position about the ethics of that situation. If the lady in question has no problems with the image, then it is a non issue. If she does, and if it may cause her distress or damage, then I hope that Los-Angeles-Shooter has sufficient resources to withstand a law suit from a well funded celebrity, whether he wins or not. If not, his own judgment may be very questionable, as may yours.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Are you really that ignorant? That you don't know that a model release IS written permission...? Have you never seen or read a release?

d3200prime

Well, that's quite a retort. Your feeble attempt to draw me into an opinionated, useless debate has failed. I have better things to do.

d3200prime

Hey there Los-Angles-Shooter. Don't know if you baited these folks to cause this firestorm of judgement and opinion but if you did you definitely succeeded. If you didn't please don't waste your time with them. Most of the reply's actually didn't answer the question you asked anyway. Awhile back I did bait them with a question that required a very simple direct answer and you should have seen all the non-answers and opinions in the reply's. Finally, after others chased their tails and went off on tangents, only one of the respondents answered my original question. It was a hoot to read each one tangle up the original question with innuendo, etc. I thoroughly enjoyed reading how others voiced opinions and questioned your morals, ethics and such. Haven't had such a good laugh in a long time. Arm chair lawyers are really funny! Anyway, whatever you do with the pic I hope you don't get in trouble. Merry Christmas and good shooting to you

jcdonelson

You right about one thing - everybody does everything EXCEPT answer ANY question.

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

I think people are talking about current permission, not permission from more than 30 years ago. Legally you have permission, but ethically is a different question.

cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast

I would give it back to the now celebrity and congratulate her on her success. She might appreciate it and introduce her to her friends that might be willing to cooperate in some salable images.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

I understand that a release is written permission. So no, I am not that ignorant. I am questioning your ethics, and finding them wanting. I have quite a few nude shots of several current or past friends, some are quite good, but I would never publish them without their permission. Preferably with an agreement that was mutually beneficial.

I'm actually on the phone with one of them right now, at 60 she is still drop dead gorgeous, but I'd rather have her as a friend. She knows I have the images - so does she - in fact she'd be happy to pose for more, I just asked her, without a model release, and she said sure - but she knows that nothing goes anywhere without her permission. I like her as a friend and we trust each other.

Does that help describe my perspective on the issue?

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

!!!!!!

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Well, perhaps your perspective of ethics and mine are different. I was raised in a country with respectable Christian ethics. I'm no longer a Christian as a result of my experience in the USA.

I also don't support exploitation or predation. I wonder what happened....

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Yup.