The Monkey Won! (Page 3): I like your thinking on this subject. I wonder if those night photographers could tell the IRS that they didn't make any royalties on their photos, because...

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

jerryc41 wrote:

You might have to give royalties to the camera's self-timer. How about animals that take their picture as a result of activating a motion-sensitive switch? Would thunder and lightning own the rights to a picture taken by sound or light activation?

I like your thinking on this subject.

I wonder if those night photographers could tell the IRS that they didn't make any royalties on their photos, because their self-timer took the shot?

Could a self timer win a photo contest?

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

billnikon wrote:

Absolutely, you are right, all the animals should receive money for their troubles. Camera companies should take note and come out with a new line of animal friendly camera's specifically designed for paws, claws, and tallon's.
Drones are OUT, hawks and birds with camera's rubber banded to them are IN.

GoPro has mounts for animals, so you can see what your dog has been looking all day. But, do you really want to see all of that?

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

travelwp wrote:

I like your thinking on this subject.

I wonder if those night photographers could tell the IRS that they didn't make any royalties on their photos, because their self-timer took the shot?

Could a self timer win a photo contest?

No, afraid not. The IRS has its own set of rules. "We are always right, and the customer is always wrong."

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

selmslie wrote:

If neither the photographer, the monkey nor PETA owns the copyright - who does?

Is it in the public domain? That's what the commentator said but the court's ruling is not consistent with that.

Whose permission is needed to post it on UHH? Can we post a hot link to it? Can we download and re-post a copy?

I think that I will change my name to Public Domain. Then I will claim ownership to everything.

Motorbones Loc: Fair Oaks, CA

That is is the craziest damn thing I've ever read.... The monkey owns the pic since it was a selfie and PETA calls this an ethical issue. Whether of not it's even possible for a non humanoid mammal to actually "own" the copyright on anything may be in question, the real moral of this story is... Always be careful which monkey butt photographer you let use your camera equipment... It could end up costing you in the long run...

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

Motorbones wrote:

That is is the craziest damn thing I've ever read.... The monkey owns the pic since it was a selfie and PETA calls this an ethical issue. Whether of not it's even possible for a non humanoid mammal to actually "own" the copyright on anything may be in question, the real moral of this story is... Always be careful which monkey butt photographer you let use your camera equipment... It could end up costing you in the long run...

The monkey does NOT own the photo. The court ruled that an animal can't own a copyright, but PETA appealed that decision, and the photographer settled with PETA to avoid further legal costs, and agreed to pay a portion of profits to a conservation organization.

kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA

Longshadow wrote:

I thought it stood for People Eating Tasty Animals.

That’s how I use it!!!!

AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio

PETA has done some really stupid stuff in the past, but this is just down right stupid zhit! Where the hell does these judges come from and who the hell votes them in office? Damn, anybody want to buy year and a half old Nikon D750 with kit lense and a Tamrom 70-300VC all bought from B&H. I am sick and tired of idiots trying their best to ruin everything for everybody else. Now if I take a picture of a wild animal or a domesticated animal for that matter I need to worry about getting sued!?!? Piss off Peta!!!!!!!!!

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

AirWalter wrote:

PETA has done some really stupid stuff in the past, but this is just down right stupid zhit! Piss off Peta!!!!!!!!!

PETA = POS

digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan

JohnSwanda wrote:

It wasn't a court decision, it was a settlement. And the money doesn't go to the monkey, it goes to a conservation organization.

No less RIDICULOUS!!! RJM

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

If who actuates the shutter is the owner of the photograph, there's either a lot of up-front contractual agreements signed, or Gregory Crewdson is in a lot of financial trouble.
--Bob

jerryc41 wrote:

Not one to give up, that macaque and PETA spend un... (show quote)

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

jerryc41 wrote:

GoPro has mounts for animals, so you can see what your dog has been looking all day. But, do you really want to see all of that?

sh*t, cats, sh*t, cats, sh*t, cats, sh*t, dogs ass, cats, sh*t....., woman's............, maybe!!!!??

SS

dixiebeachboy

I think the judge is just wrong! If I have people working for me what they shoot could be their unless I have a contact clearing that before hand! This photographer must have had a public defender!

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

dixiebeachboy wrote:

I think the judge is just wrong! If I have people working for me what they shoot could be their unless I have a contact clearing that before hand! This photographer must have had a public defender!

First of all, it wasn't a judge's decision, it was a settlement. And if you have photographers working for you, you would be very well advised to have a contract specifying that they are doing work for hire so they wouldn't own the copyright. And public defenders work in criminal cases, not civil cases.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

Whether you think the judge is wrong or not, it's a "ruling". Seriously, if you have someone else operating the camera, you'd better have a contractual agreement prior to doing any work. It's best to play it safe.
--Bob

dixiebeachboy wrote:

I think the judge is just wrong! If I have people working for me what they shoot could be their unless I have a contact clearing that before hand! This photographer must have had a public defender!