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Oct 31, 2017 13:57:21   #
GAS496 Loc: Arizona
 
via the lens wrote:
And you have permission to use the photograph in this way? Or, is this photograph, to your knowledge, in the public domain? Is there a question or point to the post? Just wondering...


It is people like you with your negative attitude attacking someone wanting to have an enlightened exchange on the wonders of photography and one of its legends that make me want to leave this group. Shame on you for trying to hide behind the, “Just wondering...”

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Oct 31, 2017 14:10:32   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
lamontcranston wrote:
Any idea if that was Ansel's assistant? Wikipedia describes him as "a friend of Ansel Adams, with whom he collaborated."


I could not find reference to Greany in the Ansel bios nor do I recall reading the name, but my memory is not always good. However, Greany did work for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service as a photographer and was stationed in Alaska (Anchorage and Juneau) and Ansel may well have known him through these connections: Ansel was in Alaska with his son in 1947. Greany apparently shot wildlife photos for the Alaska Sportsman's Magazine at some point. I found no mention of him and Ansel in the oral history I read, which seems odd; you would think he would have mentioned that in some capacity (J. Malcolm Greany oral history transcript-1998). That's all I could find on the photographer, he did take a really great shot of Ansel.

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Oct 31, 2017 14:12:18   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
GAS496 wrote:
It is people like you with your negative attitude attacking someone wanting to have an enlightened exchange on the wonders of photography and one of its legends that make me want to leave this group. Shame on you for trying to hide behind the, “Just wondering...”


I was not attacking anyone. I am always concerned when a photo is posted, mine, yours, or anyone else's, without attribution. Attribution for our photos is all that many of us get but it sometimes seems to get lost when photography is being shown. Sounds to me like you are attacking me, so maybe you need to look in the mirror one morning.

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Oct 31, 2017 14:13:43   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Was it really necessary to high lite some less "savory" aspects of the man's life to confirm your knowledge of him?


Not really, but I do believe that all aspects of our life make us who we are. In Ansel's case, his absolute devotion to photography cost him much in the end.

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Oct 31, 2017 14:16:48   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
You had me until you used the term snowflake. The neocons have made "liberal" a dirty word. Now they have made "snowflake" a dirty word as well.
What the ....?

Regarding Ansel, he did lovely work. I think his portraits were exquisite. His landscapes were transformed in the darkroom. If you look at his landscape proofs right out of the camera they were pretty much snapshots before he did his burning and dodging magic when making prints. Regarding attributing photographs, who cares? Anything on the internet can be posted anywhere else on the internet by anyone. If it's on the internet it is available to everyone.

Regarding his personal life, that's also open to everyone. Many very talented people in all walks of life have had divorces, affairs, and unsatisfactory relationships with their kids. But many untalented ordinary people have had the same.

Anyway, it is a good discussion to pass the time.


Krittermom wrote:
I have followed this forum for some time now. I started because I felt there were many members that have much knowledge about photography. What I simply can not understand are the people that are either snowflakes with delicate feelings or the one member that shall remain nameless (everyone knows who) that has appointed himself god of this site. As I get older I find myself becoming much less tolerant of such narcissistic behavior. The original post here was a wonderful tribute to Adams. To see one make this topic become a contest about who knows more and who is correct is incredibly childish. The subject of the eclipse also brought out such childish behavior that I found it quite amazing. I did notice that there seemed to be very few pictures posted of the eclipse. I wonder why? Could it be that the negativity that came out prior to the eclipse made most people simply not post? I thought this was a site that people could ask questions and get information on all things about photography without being attacked. Apparently not.
If I can find a way to completely block those few people I would again enjoy this forum each morning.
I have followed this forum for some time now. I st... (show quote)

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Oct 31, 2017 14:18:48   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Krittermom wrote:
I have followed this forum for some time now. I started because I felt there were many members that have much knowledge about photography. What I simply can not understand are the people that are either snowflakes with delicate feelings or the one member that shall remain nameless (everyone knows who) that has appointed himself god of this site. As I get older I find myself becoming much less tolerant of such narcissistic behavior. The original post here was a wonderful tribute to Adams. To see one make this topic become a contest about who knows more and who is correct is incredibly childish. The subject of the eclipse also brought out such childish behavior that I found it quite amazing. I did notice that there seemed to be very few pictures posted of the eclipse. I wonder why? Could it be that the negativity that came out prior to the eclipse made most people simply not post? I thought this was a site that people could ask questions and get information on all things about photography without being attacked. Apparently not.
If I can find a way to completely block those few people I would again enjoy this forum each morning.
I have followed this forum for some time now. I st... (show quote)



I really was not attacking anyone, just asking some questions, which I thought was ok to do as it is a discussion site. Apparently, not ok. But, now I'm curious about a statement you made, "the one member that shall remain nameless (everyone knows who)." I don't know who this is?

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Oct 31, 2017 14:25:33   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
duane klipping wrote:
Someone needs to chill and drink some decaf. The funny thing is no one likes a tattle tale and this is after all just a forum for the exchange of ideas and information. No go run and tell the teacher on us...Wow....


Decaf is probably a good idea!

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Oct 31, 2017 14:31:30   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Bobspez wrote:
You had me until you used the term snowflake. The neocons have made "liberal" a dirty word. Now they have made "snowflake" a dirty word as well.
What the ....?

Regarding Ansel, he did lovely work. I think his portraits were exquisite. His landscapes were transformed in the darkroom. If you look at his landscape proofs right out of the camera they were pretty much snapshots before he did his burning and dodging magic when making prints. Regarding attributing photographs, who cares? Anything on the internet can be posted anywhere else on the internet by anyone. If it's on the internet it is available to everyone.

Regarding his personal life, that's also open to everyone. Many very talented people in all walks of life have had divorces, affairs, and unsatisfactory relationships with their kids. But many untalented ordinary people have had the same.

Anyway, it is a good discussion to pass the time.
You had me until you used the term snowflake. The ... (show quote)


"Regarding his personal life, that's also open to everyone"
Why is that? We scream our heads off about privacy but because a person is famous for one aspect of his life, his entire life is also public domain? Why stop at the famous then? Should we make everybody's entire life public? There is none among us qualified to cast that first stone

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Oct 31, 2017 14:43:15   #
GAS496 Loc: Arizona
 
via the lens wrote:
I was not attacking anyone. I am always concerned when a photo is posted, mine, yours, or anyone else's, without attribution. Attribution for our photos is all that many of us get but it sometimes seems to get lost when photography is being shown. Sounds to me like you are attacking me, so maybe you need to look in the mirror one morning.


Yea you were that’s why I said don’t try to hide behind the just wondering.

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Oct 31, 2017 15:28:11   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
Results are what counts.
In Ansel's day great images HAD to be the result of a combination of a vision in the mind of the photographer and excellent processing skills in the darkroom to reproduce the vision in the photographer's mind's eye when the shutter was snapped.
Today it is still the same except the darkroom has been replaced by a box that takes the ones and zeroes the camera encoded into a memory chip and puts them in front of the photographer to adjust those ones and zeroes to recreate the image that was in his mind's eye when he snapped the shutter.

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Oct 31, 2017 16:39:54   #
Bobnewnan
 
No need to throw rocks at me but I for one get tired of reading how great Ansel Adams was. I was in Yosemite last week and walked through his gallery, O.K., he took some nice photos and knew how to work in a dark room but I don't feel the need to bow and kneel. Now put that rock down!

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Oct 31, 2017 16:41:41   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
via the lens wrote:
O', I have a very good idea of who he was and most likely know as much if not more than you do about him, from the smallest detail to the largest and most well-know detail. For example, I know that his drive regarding photography caused him to die with no family in attendance and only his photography assistant to be by his side; I know that his constant striving in photography caused him to have a very unhappy marriage although he and his wife stayed together and that his children had little love for him; I know that he was a "ladies man," and loved alcohol and parties. I know that it is because of him that we all know photography as an art today and that if not for him and his incredible intellect photography might not be what it is today nor, most likely, would our technology in the art of photography be what it is. Other than Edward Stieglitz, Ansel Adams contributed the most knowledge and insight into photography and into placing it as an art than any other photographer of his day . I study him extensively and have learned much through this study about how to take a photo; I'm much more an f.64 type than a Pictorial type. I just wanted to check that this particular photo was in the public domain, as many are, since we are all, as photographers, concerned with that when a photo is posted, it would be good to say that in the post, attribution is usually good when posting a photo. I also wanted to know if there was an actual point, a discussion point, so to speak, not just a quote. I've read almost, have one more book to get, every bio written about him and his auto-biography and his letters and his photo technique books. Just now I'm finishing up the f.64 book, good read and includes a lot of information on the other photographers "in the day." In fact one of them, Walker Evans, currently has an exhibition at the San Francisco Modern Museum of Art for all the Northern California photographers on this site, it goes until February. Also getting to know Doreathea Lange better through books on her. It's too bad I don't have a better memory, darn! Do not assume, based on responses, what people might know or not know about a particular subject.
O', I have a very good idea of who he was and most... (show quote)


If you claim to know him better than the others; DID YOU ACTUALLY MEET HIM? I did, back in the early seventies. Just reading about him doesn't make you an expert.....

Oh and BTW; I watched him print a couple in his darkroom.

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Oct 31, 2017 16:46:55   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
alf85 wrote:
If they made digital cameras with 1/4 plate size censors, most of us would be as good as him if not better.
Regards, Alfie.



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Oct 31, 2017 17:37:10   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Bobnewnan wrote:
No need to throw rocks at me but I for one get tired of reading how great Ansel Adams was. I was in Yosemite last week and walked through his gallery, O.K., he took some nice photos and knew how to work in a dark room but I don't feel the need to bow and kneel. Now put that rock down!


You are correct, you have the right to like and dislike anyone. But the same goes for every one else as well, so if they chose to bow and kneel, you just have to accept it. I wonder why you seem to have an issue with that concept.

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Oct 31, 2017 18:14:38   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
rfmaude41 wrote:
If you claim to know him better than the others; DID YOU ACTUALLY MEET HIM? I did, back in the early seventies. Just reading about him doesn't make you an expert.....

Oh and BTW; I watched him print a couple in his darkroom.


How wonderful that you could meet him; I hope the experience enriched your photography in some way. Please re-read what I wrote, I did not claim to "know him better than the others," only that I studied him a great deal and read up on his life. I am no expert and make no claim to that, although it would be nice to be one so I continue to read and study and learn more about photography in general and about photographers in the past who have paved the way for all of us today.

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