Empirical Proof: I've noticed that the same people who want empirical proof of man-made climate change, also believe in some sort of god. I think this is a case of believing in...

Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.

I've noticed that the same people who want empirical proof of man-made climate change, also believe in some sort of god. I think this is a case of believing in whatever makes them most comfortable. After all it must be more comforting to not believe that you were not conned into voting for an idiot.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Wellhiem wrote:

I've noticed that the same people who want empirical proof of man-made climate change, also believe in some sort of god. I think this is a case of believing in whatever makes them most comfortable. After all it must be more comforting to not believe that you were conned into voting for an idiot.

Idiot?!?!
They THOUGHT they were voting for a GOD!!!

SS

FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI

Wellhiem wrote:

I've noticed that the same people who want empirical proof of man-made climate change, also believe in some sort of god. I think this is a case of believing in whatever makes them most comfortable. After all it must be more comforting to not believe that you were not conned into voting for an idiot.

This post is empirical proof that you are an imbecile.

BTW, Nazi, there is no such thing as empirical proof of man made climate change. Even a scientist of any stripe will tell you that since science cannot "prove" anything. Science is theory or a set of theories but can prove nothing.

Speaking of that, there is a great deal more empirical proof of God than there is of man made climate change. In fact, it is not even close Nazi.

Read this, maybe your closed little mind will learn something for a change.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200811/common-misconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof

Sjfh

Wellhiem wrote:

I've noticed that the same people who want empirical proof of man-made climate change, also believe in some sort of god. I think this is a case of believing in whatever makes them most comfortable. After all it must be more comforting to not believe that you were not conned into voting for an idiot.

I see more proof in my daily life that a higher, benevolent power exists. You call it God. Others call it something else.

I've not seen a single shred of proof that man-made global warming (or cooling or any other sort of change) exists.

Funny thing is....neither side has proof. As for me, I have a few very chilling (no pun intended) experiences porting my belief.

The climate-changers have data..but I know too much about statistics and how you can make data say pretty much anything you want it to say.

What type of equipment was being used hundreds of years ago to measure this temperature for the data being used by the "scientists" who habe proven man-made climate change? Climate changers trust that equipment when we didn't even have flush toilets?

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Sjfh wrote:

I see more proof in my daily life that a higher, benevolent power exists. You call it God. Others al of something else.

I've not seen a single shred of proof thatan-made

Exactly what would you consider evidence of "man made climate change". You sound like a person of faith (obviously I'm guessing) do you find man made climate change as opposing your belief system?

Sjfh

thom w wrote:

Exactly what would you consider evidence of "man made climate change". You sound like a person of faith (obviously I'm guessing) do you find man made climate change as opposing your belief system?

The two are not remotely connected and therefore cannot oppose nor support one another.

Since I don't believe that man has any impact on then earth's climate, there is nothing I would consider evidence of man made climate change.

Hard as we try, we can't control nature (remember those levees in New Orleans? The sea walls on Lake Ontario? But I'm expected to believe that we inadvertently change the planets entire weather system?

I don't need empirical proof to believe either......but at least I have a few personal experiences that prove my spiritual beliefs.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

Sjfh wrote:

...Since I don't believe that man has any impact on then earth's climate, there is nothing I would consider evidence of man made climate change...

any impact? then why the hell do we bother putting power-robbing pollution controls on our vehicles? Why do we care where we dump our waste if we have zero effect on the planet? We're going through all these motions just so climate scientists can get rich from their grant money?

Sjfh

green wrote:

any impact? then why the hell do we bother putting power-robbing pollution controls on our vehicles? Why do we care where we dump our waste if we have zero effect on the planet? We're going through all these motions just so climate scientists can get rich from their grant money?

I don't believe we should pollute our environment....but that doesn't mean that I believe pollution leads to climate change.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Sjfh wrote:

The two are not remotely connected and therefore c... (show quote)

We may not be able to control it, that doesn't mean we can't affect it. You must believe in the tower of babel. I would never attack your right to your point of view. I might question the wisdom of it.

Back to my original question. If there were man made climate change, what evidence would it take to make you believe it? Or, even consider it?

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

Sjfh wrote:

I don't believe we should pollute our environment....but that doesn't mean that I believe pollution leads to climate change.

I guess you never saw LA in the 70s.

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

green wrote:

any impact? then why the hell do we bother putting power-robbing pollution controls on our vehicles? Why do we care where we dump our waste if we have zero effect on the planet? We're going through all these motions just so climate scientists can get rich from their grant money?

Don't confuse controling pollution with climate change. I don't know anyone that thinks that man does not pollute the planet. With regard to not believing human cause of Global warming. What about those of us who don't believe in either God or warming?

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Wellhiem wrote:

I've noticed that the same people who want empirical proof of man-made climate change, also believe in some sort of god. I think this is a case of believing in whatever makes them most comfortable. After all it must be more comforting to not believe that you were not conned into voting for an idiot.

From one of Englands brightest minds in the field of climate science.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/10/01/green-guru-james-lovelock-reverses-belief-in-global-warming-now-says-im-not-sure-the-whole-thing-isnt-crazy/

What has changed dramatically, however, is his position on climate change. He now says: “Anyone who tries to predict more than five to 10 years is a bit of an idiot, because so many things can change unexpectedly.” But isn’t that exactly what he did last time we met? “I know,” he grins teasingly. “But I’ve grown up a bit since then.”

Lovelock now believes that “CO2 is going up, but nowhere near as fast as they thought it would. The computer models just weren’t reliable. In fact,” he goes on breezily, “I’m not sure the whole thing isn’t crazy, this climate change. You’ve only got to look at Singapore. It’s two-and-a-half times higher than the worst-case scenario for climate change, and it’s one of the most desirable cities in the world to live in.”

skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA

hondo812 wrote:

From one of Englands brightest minds in the field ... (show quote)

Now there's a REAL 'inconvenient truth'.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

boberic wrote:

Don't confuse controling pollution with climate change. I don't know anyone that thinks that man does not pollute the planet. With regard to not believing human cause of Global warming. What about those of us who don't believe in either God or warming?

You are allowed, but I would be interested in the logic that took you there.

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

boberic wrote:

Don't confuse controling pollution with climate change. I don't know anyone that thinks that man does not pollute the planet. With regard to not believing human cause of Global warming. What about those of us who don't believe in either God or warming?

so air quality has nothing to do with the planet? So wiping out a continental forest doesn't change the climate? So fracking that causes earthquakes doesn't change the climate? What do you think climate is, but the air and water systems of our planet?