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Aug 22, 2017 11:12:07   #
Grandpa Loc: Sacramento, CA
 
j45 wrote:
just saw this on the B&H website Epson Workforce Pro WF-4740 All In One Inkjet Printer

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1320667-REG/epson_c11cf75201_workforce_pro_wf_4740.html?utm_medium=Email%201652930&utm_campaign=Promotion&utm_source=WeeklySpecials%20170821&utm_content=Retail&utm_term=WorkForce-Pro-WF-4740-All-in-One

Price is $179 Amazon has the same price

I am in the market for a new printer and want an all in one. Have looked at Canon but wonder how the Epsons are these days.

I am assuming that the quality for photo prints would be as good as any if i want large prints i dont think I would do that many to justify the purchase of an expensive machine

I am concerned though that this machine may be a bit overkill but i love all the features

Epson is rating this at "rated monthly duty cycle of 30,000 pages with a recommended monthly volume of 1500 pages."

since i only print a few black pages a day and only an occasional photo print is this too much machine and will underutilization cause problems?

Will the quality of the photo prints be good?

Price isn't much more than other all in one printers i have seen.
just saw this on the B&H website Epson Workf... (show quote)


I have the Epson XP860. I am impressed with the quality of the prints it makes. I print a lot of 4x6 and it has a different tray for the smaller photo paper.

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Aug 22, 2017 12:04:21   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
j45 wrote:
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Will the quality of the photo prints be good?
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Nope, that's a 4-color printer (cyan, magenta, yellow and black)... which are fine for pie charts, but lousy for photos. While they've gotten better, the highest photographic purpose I'd use a printer like that would be for low quality thumbnail catalogs. At least it's not a single cartridge printer, has a separate tank for each color (less wasteful than a single tank that includes all the colors). Even so, I wouldn't buy it for

You want at least a 6-color printer for photos (cyan, light cyan, magenta, light magenta, yellow and black). But many photo printers have even more. My Canon Pro 100 uses 8 colors (same 6, plus two gray for better black & white prints). Canon Pro 10 uses 10 colors and the Canon Pro 1 uses 12. I also have used several different 6-color Epson over the years... as well as an HP 8-color. In general, Epson have been the most expensive for ink consumption, the HP was the least expensive (big ink tanks that are pricey, but last a long time), and the Canon seems to be somewhere in between. The Canon has been the most trouble-free. Some of the older Epson were really prone to clogging and needed frequent head cleaning (and wasted a whole lot of ink doing that).

The HP is a pigment inkjet, which I prefer for matte finish prints, and has seen a few clogs when left sitting for too long, but it's heads are removable (and replaceable, if ever needed) and easy to clean without wasting ink. Pigment inks also are longer lived... rated for 200+ years. The Canon Pro 1 is also a pigment ink printer. Not sure which Epsons are now.

Most inkjets use dye based inks, including my Canon Pro 100. Used to be, those were quite prone to fading. But they've improved a lot and the ones the Canon Pro 100 uses are rated for 125+ years (long after I'll be concerned about it ). Don't know about the current Epson inks, but I'd bet they're about the same. I prefer dye based inks for glossy, semi-gloss and lustre finish prints.

The scanner in that all-in-one also doesn't appear to be anything special. It's 2400 dpi. "Better" flatbed scanners like the Epson V850 are 6400 dpi. Dedicated film scanners are as much as 9000 or 10,000 dpi.

Personally I'm not a fan of "all-in-one" printers... with scanning & faxing capabilities, as well as the printer. If any one feature of an all-in-one fails, you end up having to replace the whole thing, even though other functions might still be fine. I'd rather have a separate scanner... and a printer that's just a printer. But, if an all-in-one that's what you prefer, there are some 6-color, as well as with higher resolution scanners (both Canon and Epson).

But, you know, if you only make a few photo prints now and then, you might just outsource those for ease, low cost and better quality... and just get a printer for office work, not for photos. 4-color would be fine for the majority of that type use.

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Aug 22, 2017 12:09:21   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
My gripe with the 'all-in-ones' is that they do everything 'half-assedly'. Whenever I go looking for printers I see no dedicated-to-printing printers. Also, the 'all-in-ones' are just big awkward boxes that din't fit my space. Besides I have a dedicated scanner that sure does not need replacing.

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Aug 22, 2017 13:10:03   #
LAJ Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
My experience with Epson printers is if you don't use Epson ink, the print head clogs. One other thing, the print head is part of the Epson printer and is very good printing photos. Other printers, the print head is part of the ink cartridge and quality is questionable. I have made some 81/2 x 11 prints on an Epson all in one and they turned out very good.

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Aug 22, 2017 13:20:18   #
ecurb1105
 
gvarner wrote:
Epson printers are notorious for clogs, mine does too. But I like it. The only way to clean my 820's print head is to run the utility, no removable parts. Sometimes it takes several runs to get it clean.


I soured on Epson after their C66 model kept clogging on me. I run a Brother multifunction printer and an HP Photosmart, I recommend both brands. I can endorse Epsons scanners but not their printers.

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Aug 22, 2017 13:54:19   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
j45 wrote:
just saw this on the B&H website Epson Workforce Pro WF-4740 All In One Inkjet Printer

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1320667-REG/epson_c11cf75201_workforce_pro_wf_4740.html?utm_medium=Email%201652930&utm_campaign=Promotion&utm_source=WeeklySpecials%20170821&utm_content=Retail&utm_term=WorkForce-Pro-WF-4740-All-in-One

Price is $179 Amazon has the same price

I am in the market for a new printer and want an all in one. Have looked at Canon but wonder how the Epsons are these days.

I am assuming that the quality for photo prints would be as good as any if i want large prints i dont think I would do that many to justify the purchase of an expensive machine

I am concerned though that this machine may be a bit overkill but i love all the features

Epson is rating this at "rated monthly duty cycle of 30,000 pages with a recommended monthly volume of 1500 pages."

since i only print a few black pages a day and only an occasional photo print is this too much machine and will underutilization cause problems?

Will the quality of the photo prints be good?

Price isn't much more than other all in one printers i have seen.
just saw this on the B&H website Epson Workf... (show quote)


Epson printers thrive on constant use. They do not "like" to be left idle. Get a much cheaper all-in-one and print at least a few pages each week. That will keep the nozzles clear, and make the printer last longer.

Remember, they make their money on ink, not printers... A set of full ink cartridges can cost as much as some printers.

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Aug 22, 2017 13:59:20   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
j45 wrote:
interesting one 4 cartridge kit for this about $110 (for XL) I have already found black and color refill kits which isnt too bad I think about 4 or so refills for $15

but of course what quality when it comes to a good Photo print


Using third party inks in Epson printers is a gamble. Some of them are great, and some of them will clog your printer! Some of them will yield poor color reproduction using the Epson papers and ICC profiles applied by the driver settings.

After my wife ruined four Epson office grade printers with third-party inks, we finally switched to Epson inks and have had good luck since, as long as we print something once a week or more frequently.

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Aug 22, 2017 14:57:33   #
jsmangis Loc: Peoria, IL
 
I have been using an Epson XP-420 for three years, and it makes really great 8 X 10's. the only thing you need to do is make sure they don't run out of ink. If you do, the nozzles get clogged with dry ink and the printer is trashed.

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Aug 22, 2017 16:36:42   #
j45 Loc: North Central CT
 
i'm learning a lot of stuff. thanks, all

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Aug 22, 2017 18:02:04   #
one shot Loc: Pisgah Forest NC
 
Had an Epson Stylus R1800 when I was selling. Wonderful prints, pigment ink. Now use Epson Artisan 50, dye based ink, and get beautiful prints, just smaller, and no clogging even though not printing often. I always use matt paper. Have had it get wet and it dried without any problems. Also have Epson Perfection V39 scanner.

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Aug 22, 2017 21:05:51   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
You won't get the quality output from an-all-in-one printer compared to a photo printeder. I have used Epson for years.

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Aug 22, 2017 23:09:59   #
DBQ49er Loc: Dubuque, IA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Nope, that's a 4-color printer (cyan, magenta, yellow and black)... which are fine for pie charts, but lousy for photos. While they've gotten better, the highest photographic purpose I'd use a printer like that would be for low quality thumbnail catalogs. At least it's not a single cartridge printer, has a separate tank for each color (less wasteful than a single tank that includes all the colors). Even so, I wouldn't buy it for

You want at least a 6-color printer for photos (cyan, light cyan, magenta, light magenta, yellow and black). But many photo printers have even more. My Canon Pro 100 uses 8 colors (same 6, plus two gray for better black & white prints). Canon Pro 10 uses 10 colors and the Canon Pro 1 uses 12. I also have used several different 6-color Epson over the years... as well as an HP 8-color. In general, Epson have been the most expensive for ink consumption, the HP was the least expensive (big ink tanks that are pricey, but last a long time), and the Canon seems to be somewhere in between. The Canon has been the most trouble-free. Some of the older Epson were really prone to clogging and needed frequent head cleaning (and wasted a whole lot of ink doing that).

The HP is a pigment inkjet, which I prefer for matte finish prints, and has seen a few clogs when left sitting for too long, but it's heads are removable (and replaceable, if ever needed) and easy to clean without wasting ink. Pigment inks also are longer lived... rated for 200+ years. The Canon Pro 1 is also a pigment ink printer. Not sure which Epsons are now.

Most inkjets use dye based inks, including my Canon Pro 100. Used to be, those were quite prone to fading. But they've improved a lot and the ones the Canon Pro 100 uses are rated for 125+ years (long after I'll be concerned about it ). Don't know about the current Epson inks, but I'd bet they're about the same. I prefer dye based inks for glossy, semi-gloss and lustre finish prints.

The scanner in that all-in-one also doesn't appear to be anything special. It's 2400 dpi. "Better" flatbed scanners like the Epson V850 are 6400 dpi. Dedicated film scanners are as much as 9000 or 10,000 dpi.

Personally I'm not a fan of "all-in-one" printers... with scanning & faxing capabilities, as well as the printer. If any one feature of an all-in-one fails, you end up having to replace the whole thing, even though other functions might still be fine. I'd rather have a separate scanner... and a printer that's just a printer. But, if an all-in-one that's what you prefer, there are some 6-color, as well as with higher resolution scanners (both Canon and Epson).

But, you know, if you only make a few photo prints now and then, you might just outsource those for ease, low cost and better quality... and just get a printer for office work, not for photos. 4-color would be fine for the majority of that type use.
Nope, that's a 4-color printer (cyan, magenta, yel... (show quote)


I have used Epson large format and had problems with clogging because of non use. I went to a Brother black laser printer and have no problems, GREAT little printer for the cost per page. I never hear anyone using a color laser printer for their prints. Why not????

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Aug 23, 2017 00:04:43   #
Lundberg02
 
do not leave an epson on all then tme, a cleaning routine is run every time it is turned on. The XP-960 is supposed to be more clog free than lower priced AIO Epsons, but I bought a warranty anyway, tired of the clog scam. It makes superb color copies. Got it 100 off or I wouldn't have. I've had Ep[sons for fifteen years in a love hate relationship and finally wised up with the three year warranty which actually is only eight bucks a year.

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Aug 23, 2017 09:15:46   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DBQ49er wrote:
I have used Epson large format and had problems with clogging because of non use. I went to a Brother black laser printer and have no problems, GREAT little printer for the cost per page. I never hear anyone using a color laser printer for their prints. Why not????


Toners fade rapidly.

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Aug 23, 2017 09:34:35   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
EPSON pigmented inkjet prints last longer than any others, according to Wilhelm Imaging Research. WHY? Because they use the same types of solid pigments that cave dwellers used 30,000 years ago.

Unfortunately, the same properties that make the images so stable cause the pigments to settle out of the ink solution and clog the lines and heads. Lack of use causes clogs faster than anything else!

Epson Ultrachrome printers should be used in situations where they see heavy, and preferably daily, use.

I had two Epsons in a pro portrait lab. The 9600 never sat idle more than three straight days. It clogged about once every 18 months.

The 4000 was seldom used more than once a week to make 30"x10" panoramas. It clogged so often, we eventually gave it away. The new user ran it daily with rare issues.

The latest generation of Epson 'P' (pro) printers clog MUCH less often. But they still work best when they stay busy.

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