mirrorless camera? (Page 4): Not sure what you are trying to say, this post is about mirrorless and DSLR. when you put you eye up to a viewfinder on a DSLR you see only the image that...

wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN

LoneRangeFinder wrote:

Just a bit esoteric here, but I get a bit lost when we discuss what "the eye sees" vis a vie what "the camera sees". There's only one thing: what the eye sees-- and that's interpreted by our brain using our past experiences as a filter. I understand that the camera is a neutral device... but the rest is what makes an image personal and individual.

Back to our regular scheduled programming.....

Not sure what you are trying to say, this post is about mirrorless and DSLR. when you put you eye up to a viewfinder on a DSLR you see only the image that the lens sees, you do not see what your camera is going to record as far as ISO is concern, change you ISO, change you shutter speed, change your aperture, you do not see any change, it all looks the same, DOF does not change, yet the image you record with each of these settings will look very different from what your eye saw looking through the lens. With a mirrorless you see the final image as you take it change the shutter speed, the image you are seeing will get lighter or darker, same with aperture and ISO changes, and at least with my Sony, you see the DOF change as you change the aperture. I can out at night, when my eyes could see almost nothing, but with the right settings I can see in my EVF.

cyclespeed Loc: Calgary, Alberta Canada

OK I think we can declare a winner, and it is . . . . .. MIRRORLESS!

JD750 Loc: SoCal

rmalarz wrote:

The one disadvantage is that the user is looking at a "video" image of what the camera is seeing. So, there is a slight lag in what one is seeing in the viewfinder vs. what is actually happening in front of the camera.
--Bob

And there are also many advantages to the EVF. Not the least of which is night shots, and instant reviewing in bright sunlight. ELF not good for shooting sports or BIF. Great for things that don't move fast.

mineart

the lag is a non-issue. Go mirrorless and never look back.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

mineart wrote:

the lag is a non-issue. Go mirrorless and never look back.

Stated: I love my M43 system, and I believe mirrorless is the future for camera bodies.

Having said that. EVF lag is still an issue for sports and action shots. Manuf's are closing the gap with OVFs they are not quite there for action and sports photography.

Given that those genres are not the specialty of interest, then I totally agree with your 2nd sentence.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

to me it has been the extra features.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

CatMarley wrote:

Aha! The "Wizard of Oz" defense!

A photographer who now what he is doing response. Look, I have two mirror less camera's. There are advantages using them, I have listed them. I prefer shooting my Nikon DSLR. I have nothing against mirror less. Settle down.

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

avemal wrote:

What are the benefits over DSLR?

Just buy one and see for yourself.

I went mirrorless in 2013...and haven't looked back. I can easily carry more gear (in my everyday bag) if I want, or go super lightweight, depending on the situation.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

wmurnahan wrote:

With a $300 adapter all the Canon lenses work on my Sony, and with cheap $30 adapters almost every lens ever made works in aperture auto, and manual (which becomes ISO auto) and I have in camera stabilization on all of them. I can use Leica, Contax, Pentax, Minolta, Canon, Nikon, etc. So the reality is I have more selection then you have with a Canon or Nikon.

Yep.

You can NOT do this with a DSLR... ANY DSLR.

But you CAN do it with almost ANY mirrorless camera.

That's a HUGE advantage.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

JD750 wrote:

And there are also many advantages to the EVF. Not the least of which is night shots, and instant reviewing in bright sunlight. ELF not good for shooting sports or BIF. Great for things that don't move fast.

and...

JD750 wrote:

Stated: I love my M43 system, and I believe mirrorless is the future for camera bodies.

Having said that. EVF lag is still an issue for sports and action shots. Manuf's are closing the gap with OVFs they are not quite there for action and sports photography.

Given that those genres are not the specialty of interest, then I totally agree with your 2nd sentence.

JD, it depends on which camera you are using.

First and second generation EVF's were slow and grainy. But 3rd generation EVF's are MUCH better with higher resolutions and refresh rates.

4th generation EVF's are EXCELLENT, with NO noticeable difference between real-time and the EVF display.

And the newest 5th gen EVF in the Sony A9 LITERALLY refreshes faster than the human nervous system can transmit signals from the eye to the brain. PLUS it has nearly 4K resolution, the dynamic range AND contrast EQUAL to the brightest of optical viewfinders.

It has EXCEEDED the biggest and brightest OVF in terms of the information it gives to the photographer and the image quality of the scene that can deliver.

Expect that technology to find it's way into other mirrorless cameras this coming year.

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

Cdouthitt wrote:

Just buy one and see for yourself.

I went mirrorless in 2013...and haven't looked back. I can easily carry more gear (in my everyday bag) if I want, or go super lightweight, depending on the situation.

I hear you...

JD750 Loc: SoCal

Cdouthitt wrote:

Just buy one and see for yourself.

I went mirrorless in 2013...and haven't looked back. I can easily carry more gear (in my everyday bag) if I want, or go super lightweight, depending on the situation.

Best answer.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

CHOLLY wrote:

JD, it depends on which camera you are using. img... (show quote)

Much food for thought.

I have been meaning to upgrade my M43 body.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

JD750 wrote:

Much food for thought.

I have been meaning to upgrade my M43 body.

So I guess this is how misinformation is spread on this site.

topcat Loc: Alameda, CA

rmalarz wrote:

The one disadvantage is that the user is looking at a "video" image of what the camera is seeing. So, there is a slight lag in what one is seeing in the viewfinder vs. what is actually happening in front of the camera.
--Bob

Not really a disadvantage, you get to see any corrections that you are making in the viewfinder or LCD screen before you take the picture. Since I bought a Sony, I have learned to really like that feature.
Bad thing is that it uses batteries.