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Jul 25, 2017 11:38:22   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
burkphoto wrote:
The caveat there is that you photograph a still life of a non-moving subject (possibly redundant, but necessary for clarity) and use Olympus's special high resolution mode that moves the sensor around and makes multiple exposures, then merges them into a super-high res file. With the OM-D E-M1 Mark II the jpegs have 8160 x 6120 pixels. At a typical lab standard of 240 PPI, an un-cropped image can be printed at 34 by 25.5 inches without any re-sampling. Most of us lab folk know that that can make a 68x51 inch print with NO PROBLEMS.
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Yes, and I think it's creative engineering as with the Olympus pixel shift that will enable us to squeeze more MP w/o a performance hit - we will have to think beyond brute force image capture methods.

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Jul 25, 2017 11:43:01   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
Yes, and I think it's creative engineering as with the Olympus pixel shift that will enable us to squeeze more MP w/o a performance hit - we will have to think beyond brute force image capture methods.
I'm not sure who came up with pixel-shift first, but it is a natural outworking of moving the sensor around for IBIS - I know Pentax started doing that over a year ago.

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Jul 25, 2017 11:48:29   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
jimalexander45 wrote:
You and I and everybody else who owns a camera are a bunch of dreamers. The best analogy for this question is a golfing fact. If you could just afford the next level of golf clubs your handicap will go down by 10 points. That is B.S. It's not the golf club it's the golfer. I went through 3 levels of clubs hoping to reach a 10 handicap. My handicap never changed in the process. I'm still a 19 handicap. The only thing that changed was the cost of the clubs. It's the same in photography. If I could just have a gazillion pixels I'd be a better photographer. Again B.S. Some of the best prints I have on my walls were shot with a D700 with 12.1 MP's. I though that my photographs would improve if I just had a D800, then a D810, Then a Leica SL. I have found that I am no better now than I was with the D700. I really am sad about how stupid I was to trade my D700. You cannot buy better images. And all along I was working with a great mentor who to this day uses a 12 MP Canon and he just gets better and better. Thousands of dollars later I am just getting samer and samer. Where you are now...just STOP. Stop dreaming, stop buying, stop wishing and stop writing about this drivel. Just shoot and shoot and shoot. It's not the camera, it's the photographer.
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I'll see your analogy and raise you one!
I too tried to lower my handicap by increasing the amount
I spent on equipment.

Then I decided to spend more on lessons. The 2nd process
worked, the 1st ? Not so much.

To improve your skill takes study in just about any venue you can think of.
However there is a reason that pros (golf or photo) use the best equipment they can get for the job at hand.

To get the most out of your tools you have to keep learning more about using them and practice, practice, practice. To get the most out of your skills you need tools that let you use those skills to their fullest.

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Jul 25, 2017 11:53:31   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
This topic is going to be pretty much obsolete in a few years because whether you like it or not, technology will keep advancing and you'll look back and say "wow, I remember when 12 megapixels was the bomb". And you'll be shooting with 25 terapixles by then. Just like now. I remember when I bought my first IBM compatible PC with a 30 Megabyte hard drive. It was the bomb. I never thought I'd EVER need or want more than that. After all, I had 10 Megabytes more space that my father and my friends. I was stylin'. But now most consumer computers come with 2 terabyte hard drives with a 500GB SSD drive to boot.

If you do the math, a 2TB hard drive compared to a 30MB hard drive, well it's a good 66,666.66 times larger than that old hard drive of the 80's.
In other words, 1000Mb is equal to 1GB and 1000GB is equal to 1TB. So 30MB x 1000 x 1000 equals 3TB

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Jul 25, 2017 11:56:25   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Rich1939 wrote:
To get the most out of your skills you need tools that let you use those skills to their fullest.
The pix I take today would be better if my camera handled noise at higher ISO values better - but a K-70 {$600} won't fit into our budget right now, so I'll continue using my K-30 for now.

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Jul 25, 2017 12:00:24   #
grizrev
 
JPL, I'm actually not very political -- it's not a very inspirational scene right now. Politics that try to fit everyone into the same size photographically or otherwise certainly does not appeal to me. If I was headed into the dark jungles of the Amazon to shoot wildlife, I'd want to take the best camera Canon makes and its EF 600mm F4L IS II USM lens as well as one of its fastest and best zooms for changing situations! I don't like the idea of actually being up close with some of those jungle critters! I certainly wouldn't want someone limiting me to a less sophisticated outfit!

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Jul 25, 2017 12:04:09   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
rehess wrote:
The pix I take today would be better if my camera handled noise at higher ISO values better - but a K-70 {$600} won't fit into our budget right now, so I'll continue using my K-30 for now.


Well, we do have to work with what we have and make the best of that.
As Dandy Don Meredith was found of saying,"if, ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we could have a helluva Christmas" ( or words to that effect)

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Jul 25, 2017 12:07:06   #
flschaff Loc: spring grove, pa
 
take a 4x3-meter screen (about as big as one might want) and divide into "Square-Microns" or 1x1-micron Pixels.

That's 12,000-TeraPixels.

Enough ??

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Jul 25, 2017 12:10:15   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
flschaff wrote:
take a 4x3-meter screen (about as big as one might want) and divide into "Square-Microns" or 1x1-micron Pixels.

That's 12,000-TeraPixels.

Enough ??

Probably not

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Jul 25, 2017 12:13:50   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
This topic is going to be pretty much obsolete in a few years because whether you like it or not, technology will keep advancing and you'll look back and say "wow, I remember when 12 megapixels was the bomb". And you'll be shooting with 25 terapixles by then.

I doubt if my eyes would see the benefit when I sit at a distance when I can see the entire image.

I doubt if I'd be willing to purchase the lens needed to resolve down to that.

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Jul 25, 2017 12:16:49   #
grizrev
 
How true! We can continue to benefit from the advance of technology, but we should always remember that great equipment alone will never make a great photographer or great photograph, in any time period.

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Jul 25, 2017 12:17:06   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
grizrev wrote:
Is more always better? Aren't we Americans prone to super size too often in search of the good life? How many huge lens, big cameras, full frame sensors, huge raw files produced by tons of megapixels do the great majority of photographers (pro and otherwise) really need to produce excellent photographs for publication online and in prints smaller than billboards? The Fuji X-T2 micro four thirds would seem a great choice for the vast majority of photographers, combining terrific quality and value. An even better choice for combined value and quality with fewer megapixels but with features covering a greater range of photographic situations would be the Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II and its versatile pro quality 12-100mm lens. What do you think?
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I do my best composition in post. I tend to shoot too wide, then discover that a photo looks much better cropped a bit -- or a lot. I recently created a wallpaper slideshow of my favorite shots for my Windows PC, but something went awry and they displayed cropped. It was like looking at someone else's photos, and I really like many of them so I started playing around with crops and found I like many of my photos much better after I "recompose" the shot. So I like the 36MP image size my Sony a7R gives me (except when I'm waiting for a disk full of images to upload to my PC).

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Jul 25, 2017 12:19:00   #
grizrev
 
Rich1939, I couldn't agree more!

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Jul 25, 2017 12:27:12   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
rehess wrote:
I doubt if my eyes would see the benefit when I sit at a distance when I can see the entire image.

I doubt if I'd be willing to purchase the lens needed to resolve down to that.




There is a point at which you have to yawn and smile and say, "Go right ahead." Then you go about your business and let the tech nerds be.

Someday, no doubt, we'll have resolution to burn. Someday, we'll have interstellar space travel. Meanwhile, let's use what we can and make the most of it!

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Jul 25, 2017 12:34:51   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
...MP be dammed...I need the TOOL(s)...

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