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Jun 30, 2012 01:08:21   #
rebride
 
Finch585 wrote:
rebride wrote:


Where have I found myself, again? in Bersekeley?


Do you mean Beserkeley?

I was there last Sunday shooting street


Shooting street ? Is that some kind of designer drug?

Berkeley,Ca.
Where you can be whoever or whatever and it doesn't matter.
Home of Looking Glass Camera, Amoeba Records, Blondie's Pizza.
I often make the pilgrimage.

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Jun 30, 2012 01:11:17   #
stevenkl Loc: Swainsboro,GA
 
I love Santa Cruz! I used to make the drive up at least three times a year. Had friends in Scotts Valley and there was this really nice restaurant in Capitola called the Esplanade. Don't know if it's still there. That was in 1987,and I would go to the Boardwalk and then to Pacific Garden Mall where there was this cool camera store. I had a Minolta Maxxum 9000 then.
If you have any pix, I love to see them for memories. I lost mine in an Illinois flood in '99.
Have a great night!

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Jun 30, 2012 01:30:10   #
nikonesian Loc: Midwest USA
 
BuckeyeBilly wrote:
Ken says that all most people (common folk, not professionals) really need is a camera that has 3-6 megapixels for their photos. Do you agree with this? Why or why not? Also, for my own understanding of these kinds of things, if I am considering purchasing either a Nikon D5100 or the new D3200, does the D3200 have any advantage since it has 24 megapixels as compared to the 16 in the D5100? In other words, what differences would I notice in my photos between the two? If you can provide a photo of a lower pixel camera and a higher one to show any differences, that would be appreciated.
Ken says that all most people (common folk, not pr... (show quote)


He is just saying that photographers shouldn't fixate on the pixel count when evaluating camera bodies.

There's more to the equation of picking a tool to fulfill your vision than MPs. If MPs were the final word, then the D7000, D400, D700, D3 and even the D4 would be inferior to the D3200. Gotta look at all the factors. MPs count, but they don't have the final say.

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Jun 30, 2012 05:23:57   #
Wezza1977uk Loc: London, England
 
looking through my huge library of old pictures i came across some pictures i took with an old 3.1mp kodak 6340 and to be honest the picture quality was fantastic. we are all led to believe this hype that bigger numbers mean better performance, yet it wasnt that long ago that we were boasting that we had a 3mp camera and quite happily printing a4 prints and showing them off. i currently have a sony a300 and a sony r1 both of which are 10mp cameras and having played with my father in laws canon dslr which i believe is a 16mp i'll be damned if i can see the difference in image quality. i have been told that you only need a 10mp camera at most unless you are intending to print larger than a3. dont know if this is correct though.

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Jun 30, 2012 05:27:53   #
Ricontech Loc: Colorado
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
St3v3M wrote:
For a print straight out of the camera then sure, but my guess is most of us crop and some of us more liberally than others. The more you crop, the more you 'zoom' so you may need a little more, 20+ though, I'm not always sure.
I completely agree. I shoot macro with a D5000, and general photography with a D90. Both are 12.3 MegaPixel sensors. Quite often, I will crop to arrive at proper composition. When I crop away half of an image, it is the equivalent of a 6Mp capture. Had I started with a 6Mp sensor, I would have only 3Mp remaining after crop.
quote=St3v3M For a print straight out of the came... (show quote)

Then do I understand that if you were shooting with the D3200 and processed your final shot as half the original image, would you not have a 12Mp shot that would be much better detailed than the 3Mp with your current setup? Just curious I guess...

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Jun 30, 2012 07:05:29   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
Just for grins and giggles, my avatar was taken on a Nikon 5.1MP P&S, blown up to 24x36, framed, and now hangs above my fireplace.

Fuji-san
Fuji-san...

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Jun 30, 2012 07:08:42   #
AUminer Loc: Brandon, Ms
 
It's good to have more than enough today because it may be what you need tomorrow.
jerryc41 wrote:
BuckeyeBilly wrote:
Ken says that all most people (common folk, not professionals) really need is a camera that has 3-6 megapixels for their photos. Do you agree with this? Why or why not? Also, for my own understanding of these kinds of things, if I am considering purchasing either a Nikon D5100 or the new D3200, does the D3200 have any advantage since it has 24 megapixels as compared to the 16 in the D5100? In other words, what differences would I notice in my photos between the two? If you can provide a photo of a lower pixel camera and a higher one to show any differences, that would be appreciated.
Ken says that all most people (common folk, not pr... (show quote)

Of course he's right, but given the choice of a 16MP camera or a 20MP, I'd take the 20MP. More is better, right? David Pogue did a test with three identical photos enlarged to 16X24" at resolutions of 13, 8, and 5. They looked virtually identical.

It's like horsepower in a car. There's enough, and there's more than enough.
quote=BuckeyeBilly Ken says that all most people ... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Jun 30, 2012 07:54:29   #
videop Loc: Florida
 
Both Cameras are nice, but for every day shooting and the usual 8 X 10 blow ups, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference. A camera may not be a necessity but having one around is great for memories. Can you imagine going on an adventuresome vacation and not being able to share with friends and family.

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Jun 30, 2012 07:56:17   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
RixPix wrote:
I disagree completely...no body needs a camera, period. The so-called "need" is actually a desire to cling to occasions that bring pleasurable memories to the front of the mind. That's all commie BS. Anyone who has a camera is a dirty red commie especially anyone who buys a camera made in Asia where all the commies are.


Now tell us how you really feel..................

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Jun 30, 2012 08:09:35   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Maybe it's not the size of the sensor, but how well you use it? Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Jun 30, 2012 08:15:28   #
Michael greiner-marcotte Loc: Meze,France
 
If get all your shots perfect (I don't come close to that)then you could get away with a lower digital camera.Newer cameras are not just abourt Mpixels.Some of my most trasured shots are from my first Brownie. So its what you get out of the camera that counts Rockwell has good points,BUT Ive read in his site he prefers film over digital, shoots in jpeg and not RAW and does not belive in pp.

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Jun 30, 2012 08:24:17   #
Bigdaver
 
Getting back to part of your original post, I think the D3200 would be a great camera that would produce some of the best pictures in a DX camera.
But, 24mp would demand a lot of memory, and processing power. Do you have a modern high capacity computer? I had to trade up when I bought my D90, it would crash my old computer sometimes when I had a few pictures open in PS.
The D5100 is nice, the D3200 seems to test as the best crop sensor camera yet.
Good luck.

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Jun 30, 2012 08:29:46   #
Rbo36 Loc: S. W. Michigan
 
Acountry330 wrote:
There is never more than enough. Some people will use all they can get others will not. So do you want more or less, that seems to be the main question.


Speaking of "Never more than enough" I read an article about the Bugatti Veron Grand Sport. It has a V16, 8.0 liter engine that delivers 1200 horse power with a top speed of a little over 250 MPH and can do 0 to 60 MPH in 2.6 seconds. All this to say there may never be more than enough but this comes pretty close. (For a lot of us commoners a Dodge Viper would do&#9786;&#9786;&#9786;) And for some a Model A Ford.

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Jun 30, 2012 08:34:11   #
Jer Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
I'd forgotten about the Professor. I looked him up and he seems still to be alive. He is absolutely right. Wait, wait, what was the question?



Wabbit wrote:
RMM wrote:
Acountry330 wrote:
There is never more than enough. Some people will use all they can get others will not. So do you want more or less, that seems to be the main question.


The question, grasshopper, is: Enough for what?


Irwin answers that best .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxtN0xxzfsw&feature=related

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Jun 30, 2012 08:43:51   #
Jer Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
Megapixels is only one part of the equation.
1.) the number of pixels
2.) how large the sensor is
3.) how the pixels are connected together (gap and gapless, etc.
4.) The lens
5.) Digital zoom vs optical zoom
6.) Cropping
7.) enlargement size.
I have full frame 5dm2 and 5dm3. I started with a Rebel xt (8 megapixels). I've made 20x30's with that camera and they looked fine. I also a photo of a dust storm made with my 3 megapixel cell phone that looks fine at 8x10.

My 5d's give have tremendous IQ (image quality) and resolution but I bought them because of their great low light ability, especially the 5dm3.

If you are going to just view you images on the computer, I doubt it really matters. And if you are going to make regular size prints it doesn't matter. I have my photos on the wall in every room in my house. Good luck figuring out what camera took them. The light ones you'll be able to guess but you won't be able to guess which 5d unless you knew what the actual lighting was when I took them.

Find a camera you like and enjoy. You'll be happy.

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