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Jul 15, 2017 09:29:31   #
JPL
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
Those are the facts. You can believe DxO or you can believe a neophyte rationalizing his purchase, a salesman who doesn't know how to test a lens, and an old fool living 40 years in the past.

Notice how these self appointed "experts" don't talk about facts.

One card slot
20 v 24mp
No grip
Plastic body
Lower DxO score

Those are the facts. Prove DxO and me wrong. The 7500 is a dumbed down camera for dumbed down amateur photographers, old fools, and camera salesmen who whore themselves out to the latest body solely for the sake of moving the sh@t.

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Those are the facts. You can believe DxO or you c... (show quote)


No, those are only very few of the facts, what is missing is this.

Much faster shooting 8 fps vs 6 fps in the D7200.
Same autofocus system as in D500, makes this camera much better for action and wildlife photography than the D7200 in any light, low or bright.
Much lighter than D7200 because they throw out the clunky metal body for a lightweight plastic
4K video
Tilt screen
Touch screen
Better low light score at DXO
Next generation of flash control.

This is simply a good consumer version of the D500. Nothing wrong with that. For most people considering to buy the upgrade versions of D3xxx or D5xxx cameras this is the obvious choice that does everything much faster and better and it is also an important upgrade from D7500 in most aspects.

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Jul 15, 2017 09:32:49   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Funny how people who have never USED something feel the need to denigrate it. Actually I am loving the D7500's. The lack of a second card slot isn't an issue for users moving up from lesser cameras, because they all only have one card slot anyway. Its light, has a great grip feel, VERY fast and accurate focusing, a GENUINE Nikon designed and built sensor, and the tilt screen is great. A baby D500 for sure, and at a very good entry price point. They are selling faster than I can get them in. The majority of buyers are moving up from the D5XXX bodies, or from Canon Rebels.
Funny how people who have never USED something fee... (show quote)


Agreed!

If judging the D7500 by the number of card slots it has, then it is sure to fail :)

All this negative hubbub from folks that have never even picked one up. Personally I think it will pair nicely and perform well with the new Nikon 70-300 mm lens that hasn't yet been released or even better with the Nikon 300 mm f4 PF lens that weighs 26.5 ounces.
Add a teleconverter to the second lens and you have a sleek, lightweight, weather resistant combination with decent reach, excellent focus and image.

By the way, the camera feels great in my hands!

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Jul 15, 2017 09:39:43   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
JPL wrote:
No, those are only very few of the facts, what is missing is this.

Much faster shooting 8 fps vs 6 fps in the D7200.
Same autofocus system as in D500, makes this camera much better for action and wildlife photography than the D7200 in any light, low or bright.
Much lighter than D7200 because they throw out the clunky metal body for a lightweight plastic
4K video
Tilt screen
Touch screen
Better low light score at DXO
Next generation of flash control.

This is simply a good consumer version of the D500. Nothing wrong with that. For most people considering to buy the upgrade versions of D3xxx or D5xxx cameras this is the obvious choice that does everything much faster and better and it is also an important upgrade from D7500 in most aspects.
No, those are only very few of the facts, what is ... (show quote)


What you need to keep in mind about the OP is that this is the same guy who PRAISED 42ND Street Photo for selling him a known grey market lens.
One must consider the source for all uninformed comment from posters like this. Their underlying agenda is no more than to stir up competent posters, no more.

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Jul 15, 2017 09:39:46   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
Just as our American companies send manufacturing overseas and the product quality goes to crap, so it goes for the Japanese. Some day these idiots that all they care about is padding their pockets for today and could care less about tomorrow, will some day loosen their ties, open their top shirt buttons to allow blood to flow to their brains and will see the errors in their ways. Keeping ones company home with their roots, where worker take pride in their work, keeps quality up, your country strong and jobs for tomorrow. That's how America got strong and why (sending our jobs overseas) it is a Satanic toilet today.
Just as our American companies send manufacturing ... (show quote)


You're business model does not fit with the realities of the world markets where the only objective is to make the most profit possible. Quality products are becoming a niche market.

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Jul 15, 2017 09:57:26   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
gvarner wrote:
You're business model does not fit with the realities of the world markets where the only objective is to make the most profit possible. Quality products are becoming a niche market.


OFFTOPIC

Sez you. When a company's bosses are shareholders, it's in the best interest of the company to return as much profit as possible. However, not all company work this model. My employer has been in business over 20 years, is U. S.-based, and has as its top priority CUSTOMER satisfaction. We have no venture capital, no shareholder positions on the Board of Directors, and produce the highest-quality and best regarded products in our industry.

/OFFTOPIC

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Jul 15, 2017 10:11:45   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
I've always said to many people on this site put to much faith in DxO. I say buy what you want and be happy with what you have take lots of photos. Really who give a crap think about it.

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Jul 15, 2017 10:17:01   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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All you have to do is read the stats and see how DxO rated the 7500. The 7500 is a good camera but obviously was downgraded from the 7200 in several very important ways. I don't own a D7200. If the areas of degradation aren't important to you, you've got a fine camera. Personally I wouldn't use it. IMO Nikon has badly misfired with the 7500, hopefully they'll come out with a D7600 to correct the shortcomings. I'm not holding my breath for that.

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You say you never owned the 7200 and won't by a 7500. How can you possibly speak from a position of authority? Steve Perry's review is very good, and finds the 7500 very useful. DXO reviews? Please, just say "4 out of 5 doctors recommend...."
One slot isn't that big of a deal. Mine second one is set for overflow and never gets there. Battery grips are nice, I have one for my D500, but not the 7200.... but most amateurs either don't shoot 900 shots at one event to drain initial battery or have sense enough to carry a second battery. I probably would have bought the 7500 had it been available. 8 fps, a tilt screen, more buffer space and the D500 focusing system at $800 less works for me.
Fortunately for Nikon and Canon and Sony, the "yeah, but" crowd that you belong to isn't their market. Most people resist change and some can't help themselves on the internet. The new Sony A9 has plenty of detractors who have never touched the machine. Makes me just shake my head.

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Jul 15, 2017 10:20:24   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Al Beatty wrote:
I thought the D500 was an upgrade to a D300 (s). Take care &...


You are correct. But the new D7500 has a few features that, up until now, were only in the D5 and D500.

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Jul 15, 2017 10:27:55   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
The real question, which we've been kind of dancing around, is "where does a company like Nikon go in the future?" If they had a market like Canon, they could build a separate camera design for each corner of their clientele, but they cannot afford to do that - their clientele is not that large. I have felt for some time now that Nikon has way too many bodies; I'm not convinced they need the 5nnnn line, for example. The D7500 appears to provide D500 some capabilities to those who cannot fit the D500 in a budget without competing with the D500. The D7500 might be for those parents / grandparents I often talk about who want to photograph school sports one season of the year; a D3nnn, the D7200 and the D7500 might be all Nikon needs in their "four digit" lines.

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Jul 15, 2017 10:32:24   #
Motorbones Loc: Fair Oaks, CA
 
I invested into a D7500 a short while back. I'm just a hobbyist and not a KIA. That being said, I'm really pleased with the D7500. Here is why:

**D7500 has a higher ISO which will help in lower light conditions (yet to be truly tested).
**I really like having the tilting screen for when I have to shoot from weird angles (like over a crowd of people).
**The touch screen makes going through the menus a lot easier than the experience I had with my D5200.
**Having the larger buffer will make burst shooting a lot more doable. This is also enhanced with a faster sensor processor.
**Having only one card slot was not a big deal since this is strictly a hobby for me. I'm just sure to buy and carry decent SD memory cards (no Chinese Walmart specials).
**Even though the megapixels are lower I haven't notice any loss of picture quality. My D5200 has 24 and the pictures on the 7500 seem much better which I attribute to the D500 sensor it has. They seem to have more depth to them, again in MHO.
**The Bluetooth connection with my iPad works fairly well when I have it setup properly. That's a real boon being able to view the pictures on a larger screen very quickly. It can easily be turned off and on from the camera when not needed.
**I like shooting a wide variety of things so there are some circumstances where the D7200 would probably work a little better. I have a friend who shoots with a D7100 and really likes his camera.

In short it meets my needs quite nicely. Being a former TQM instructor, the bottom line for any product or service is does it meet my needs or requirements. I'm sure the D7200 would have worked nicely, but the D7500 does best for me making it a higher quality product. This is the last word for any individual buying a camera or anything else....

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Jul 15, 2017 10:34:43   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Aside from the obvious degradation of the 7500 in terms of extensive use of plastic rather than metal, only one SD card slot, no battery grip (probably because of the plastic body), the DxO score is in. https://nikonrumors.com/2017/07/13/nikon-d7500-tested-at-dxomark.aspx/

D7200 87
D7500 86
D3400 86
A6300 85


So if you want to save some money, buy the D3400 or the superior D7200. It is hard to believe that the 7500 doesn’t have a battery grip. The body is meant for high speed, long, heavy lenses. Such setups are uncomfortable to handle without a grip. I wish Nikon would start getting things right. -- Today I sent in another D750 body for a replacement shutter.

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I hope people don't chose camera based on the advice of someone who hasn't used the camera he is promoting or denigrating. Don't you agree?

I shoot a D500 with the Nikon 200-500mm lens handheld and have never felt the need for a "battery grip." Probably because I hold the camera and lens properly. As far as two SD card slots, I don't shoot weddings, where it would be important to have a backup, and in the ten digital cameras I've owned over the years, I've never had an SD card fail. A lot of professionals use cameras that only have a single memory card. (I wonder if professional film photographers groused about buying cameras that didn't record the image on two rolls of film at the same time.)

Steve Perry's video comparing the D7200, D7500, and D500 is worth a look. He is an expert on Nikon cameras and actually used each of these cameras in the field for at least a month and thousands of shots under different real world conditions, so he is better qualified to evaluate them than someone who criticizes cameras without actually using them. His review is the only review of these three cameras I have seen that is fair and balance and based on extensive user experience.

http://backcountrygallery.com/nikon-d7500-review-d500-d7200-comparison/

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Jul 15, 2017 10:38:08   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
rehess wrote:
The real question, which we've been kind of dancing around, is "where does a company like Nikon go in the future?" If they had a market like Canon, they could build a separate camera design for each corner of their clientele, but they cannot afford to do that - their clientele is not that large. I have felt for some time now that Nikon has way too many bodies; I'm not convinced they need the 5nnnn line, for example. The D7500 appears to provide D500 some capabilities to those who cannot fit the D500 in a budget without competing with the D500. The D7500 might be for those parents / grandparents I often talk about who want to photograph school sports one season of the year; a D3nnn, the D7200 and the D7500 might be all Nikon needs in their "four digit" lines.
The real question, which we've been kind of dancin... (show quote)


Nikon has stated that they are going to concentrate on mid to higher end cameras as part of their restructuring. Had you been there they may have taken this path sooner.

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Jul 15, 2017 10:41:29   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Aside from the obvious degradation of the 7500 in terms of extensive use of plastic rather than metal, only one SD card slot, no battery grip (probably because of the plastic body)

Before I switched back to Pentax, I had a plastic-bodied Canon Rebel with a battery grip, so there is no necessary connection between space-age plastics and battery grip. However, there probably is a connection between higher burst rate and slightly smaller image.

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Jul 15, 2017 10:51:41   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Aside from the obvious degradation of the 7500 in terms of extensive use of plastic rather than metal, . . . .

I worked with satellite design and testing for several years. Plastics and carbon fiber epoxy materials are used extensively in satellite design for their superior weight and thermal stability properties. I've never heard of image quality being degraded by the materials with which the camera was built, and I suspect that Nikon would never use materials improperly. I suspect they have 1,000 time the expertise and experience is material properties and camera design than you do. So unless you have some evidence to support your opinion regarding "degradation," you should strongly consider not contributing misinformation that less informed people might mistake for facts.

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Jul 15, 2017 10:53:03   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
MT Shooter wrote:
What you need to keep in mind about the OP is that this is the same guy who PRAISED 42ND Street Photo for selling him a known grey market lens.
One must consider the source for all uninformed comment from posters like this. Their underlying agenda is no more than to stir up competent posters, no more.


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About what I'd expect from a desperate salesman. Push the junk you've got and the hell with what the customer needs. You got your facts wrong (no surprise), about two years ago I bought a 105 f2.8 micro from 42nd Street Camera. It was brand new, a USA model and has worked flawlessly. Price $680. -- Just yesterday I sent a grey market D750 to Nikon California for shutter replacement. No problem, covered under warrantee. That's right, a grey market Nikon body is repaired for free by NikonUSA. The only reason you lie about grey market equipment is that you can't compete.

Your opinions are sometimes interesting but often clouded by business concerns. Your competition (42nd St. ...), has better prices than you, your inventory is pathetic, your knowledge is suspect, and your testing is a joke. However, you can take comfort in the large number of low knowledge minions who follow you on UHH. I know who you are and I'm not impressed.

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