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Jul 14, 2017 16:28:32   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
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Aside from the obvious degradation of the 7500 in terms of extensive use of plastic rather than metal, only one SD card slot, no battery grip (probably because of the plastic body), the DxO score is in. https://nikonrumors.com/2017/07/13/nikon-d7500-tested-at-dxomark.aspx/

D7200 87
D7500 86
D3400 86
A6300 85


So if you want to save some money, buy the D3400 or the superior D7200. It is hard to believe that the 7500 doesn’t have a battery grip. The body is meant for high speed, long, heavy lenses. Such setups are uncomfortable to handle without a grip. I wish Nikon would start getting things right. -- Today I sent in another D750 body for a replacement shutter.

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Jul 14, 2017 16:52:23   #
whitewolfowner
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Aside from the obvious degradation of the 7500 in terms of extensive use of plastic rather than metal, only one SD card slot, no battery grip (probably because of the plastic body), the DxO score is in. https://nikonrumors.com/2017/07/13/nikon-d7500-tested-at-dxomark.aspx/

D7200 87
D7500 86
D3400 86
A6300 85


So if you want to save some money, buy the D3400 or the superior D7200. It is hard to believe that the 7500 doesn’t have a battery grip. The body is meant for high speed, long, heavy lenses. Such setups are uncomfortable to handle without a grip. I wish Nikon would start getting things right. -- Today I sent in another D750 body for a replacement shutter.

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Just as our American companies send manufacturing overseas and the product quality goes to crap, so it goes for the Japanese. Some day these idiots that all they care about is padding their pockets for today and could care less about tomorrow, will some day loosen their ties, open their top shirt buttons to allow blood to flow to their brains and will see the errors in their ways. Keeping ones company home with their roots, where worker take pride in their work, keeps quality up, your country strong and jobs for tomorrow. That's how America got strong and why (sending our jobs overseas) it is a Satanic toilet today.

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Jul 14, 2017 16:56:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Aside from the obvious degradation of the 7500 in terms of extensive use of plastic rather than metal, only one SD card slot, no battery grip (probably because of the plastic body), the DxO score is in. https://nikonrumors.com/2017/07/13/nikon-d7500-tested-at-dxomark.aspx/

D7200 87
D7500 86
D3400 86
A6300 85


So if you want to save some money, buy the D3400 or the superior D7200. It is hard to believe that the 7500 doesn’t have a battery grip. The body is meant for high speed, long, heavy lenses. Such setups are uncomfortable to handle without a grip. I wish Nikon would start getting things right. -- Today I sent in another D750 body for a replacement shutter.

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How does the price compare? D7200 is $999.95; D7500 is $1249.95; D500 is $1899.95 (Nikon.com prices, body only)

It isn't the first time they've lost their way... D3300 is better in some respects than the D3400. At least it has a sensor cleaning system.

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Jul 14, 2017 17:13:28   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
A "dumbed down" D7200? I don't think so, and neither does Ken Rockwell:

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This new Nikon D7500 is a fantastic combination of the ultra high speed imaging guts of the D500 in the more practical body of the previous D7200.

The Nikon D7500 has the image sensor, light meter and processor of the top-of-the-line DX Nikon D500 and keeps the D7200's body, mode dial and AF system and adds Bluetooth, 4K video and a flipping touch LCD.

The D7500 has the D500's same crazy expanded ISO 50 ~ 1,638,400 range, and bumps frame rate to 8 FPS from the D7200's 6 FPS, while it retains the D7200's superior mode dial with two programmable presets I find necessary for real-world photography, all for a very minor premium over the price of the old D7200.

New since the D7200

● 8 FPS, up from 6 FPS
● ISO 51,200, up from ISO 25,600
● Pushed ISO modes up to +5 stops, which look progressively worse until the +5 stop push (ISO 1,638,400) looks awful.
● Touch LCD
● Flipping LCD
● 4K Video
● Bluetooth
● New EN-EL15a battery, compatible with the older EN-EL15 used in every mid-sized Nikon from the D7000 up to the D500 and D810.
● 1.6 oz. (45g) lighter than the D7200.
● Group-area AF
● Only 20.6 MP, no longer 24 MP

Good

● State-of-the-art DSLR image and speed performance at a very reasonable price; less than many lesser mirrorless cameras!
● Has a mode dial with programmable memories sorely lacking in the D500.
● Has an excellent built-in flash sorely lacking in the D500.
● Electronic video stabilization at 1,080p (none at 4K).
● Simultaneous 4K video output to card and uncompressed via HDMI.
● Headphone and microphone jacks.

Bad

● Nothing really, this is a winner of a camera.

Missing

● No second card slot, so I'd not use the D7500 to shoot any critical jobs. Then again, I've been doing this for decades back when card errors were common; I haven't lost any card files for over ten years so maybe we're OK — feel lucky?
● No aperture-ring feeler, so no longer meters or auto exposes or records proper EXIF with any old manual-focus lenses. Who cares? Old manual focus lenses are for full-frame; DX lenses are much better on DX.
● Slightly fewer pixels in both the image sensor and LCD compared to the D7200, but not enough to notice.
● No option for a battery grip.
● No GPS; use the GP-1A.
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I did a lot of research on both the D7200 and the D7500 when I was deciding to move off my D7100. The D7500 was the final choice for me; the only thing I didn't like was having only a single card slot. But I can carry an extra card easily. The rest of its features made it the winner for my photography needs.

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Jul 14, 2017 17:18:40   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
Just Fred wrote:
A "dumbed down" D7200? I don't think so, and neither does Ken Rockwell:


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Yes, but what does Mickey Mouse think of the D7500?

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Jul 14, 2017 17:21:36   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
The D7200 is a few years older than the 7500 and that is why it is cheaper, when pentax released the Kp, people thought that it would replace the K3ii, the fact of the matter is that the Kp replaces nothing, the replacement for Pentax Top APSC camera has not come out as of yet, but this is not the case with the Nikon, the D500 has replaced the 7200 as Nikons top APSC camera only time will tell if Nikon will make a camera to compeat with the D500 in a 7000 series body, but why would they, this would take sales away from the D500, I think Nikon will continue to sell the 7200 until their stock is out, after that who knows what they will put out.

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Jul 14, 2017 17:24:29   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Yes, but what does Mickey Mouse think of the D7500?

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I'm not sure of your point. There are multiple sources (I said I did a lot of research) and the majority of them rate the D7500 higher than the D7200. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, and I hope you are happy with your D7200.

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Jul 14, 2017 17:40:04   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
This whole D7200 D7500 thing is funnier than the Canon Nikon thing.

Nikon will probably continue the D7200 until they run out of the Toshiba-Sony image sensors they put in the D7200.

Personally, I'm happy with my D7200 and my D500 and will never want or need a D7500.

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Jul 14, 2017 17:40:57   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Funny how people who have never USED something feel the need to denigrate it. Actually I am loving the D7500's. The lack of a second card slot isn't an issue for users moving up from lesser cameras, because they all only have one card slot anyway. Its light, has a great grip feel, VERY fast and accurate focusing, a GENUINE Nikon designed and built sensor, and the tilt screen is great. A baby D500 for sure, and at a very good entry price point. They are selling faster than I can get them in. The majority of buyers are moving up from the D5XXX bodies, or from Canon Rebels.

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Jul 14, 2017 17:43:02   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
Just Fred wrote:
I'm not sure of your point. There are multiple sources (I said I did a lot of research) and the majority of them rate the D7500 higher than the D7200. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, and I hope you are happy with your D7200.


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All you have to do is read the stats and see how DxO rated the 7500. The 7500 is a good camera but obviously was downgraded from the 7200 in several very important ways. I don't own a D7200. If the areas of degradation aren't important to you, you've got a fine camera. Personally I wouldn't use it. IMO Nikon has badly misfired with the 7500, hopefully they'll come out with a D7600 to correct the shortcomings. I'm not holding my breath for that.

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Jul 14, 2017 17:50:31   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Funny how people who have never USED something feel the need to denigrate it. Actually I am loving the D7500's. The lack of a second card slot isn't an issue for users moving up from lesser cameras, because they all only have one card slot anyway. Its light, has a great grip feel, VERY fast and accurate focusing, a GENUINE Nikon designed and built sensor, and the tilt screen is great. A baby D500 for sure, and at a very good entry price point. They are selling faster than I can get them in. The majority of buyers are moving up from the D5XXX bodies, or from Canon Rebels.
Funny how people who have never USED something fee... (show quote)


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Funny how people who have their judgement clouded by peculiarly interests can't see what's lacking in the 7500.

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Jul 14, 2017 18:04:29   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Yes, but what does Mickey Mouse think of the D7500?

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Jul 14, 2017 18:31:31   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Aside from the obvious degradation of the 7500 in terms of extensive use of plastic rather than metal, only one SD card slot, no battery grip (probably because of the plastic body), the DxO score is in. https://nikonrumors.com/2017/07/13/nikon-d7500-tested-at-dxomark.aspx/

D7200 87
D7500 86
D3400 86
A6300 85


So if you want to save some money, buy the D3400 or the superior D7200. It is hard to believe that the 7500 doesn’t have a battery grip. The body is meant for high speed, long, heavy lenses. Such setups are uncomfortable to handle without a grip. I wish Nikon would start getting things right. -- Today I sent in another D750 body for a replacement shutter.

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You must feel really strongly about this, since you have raised the same issue twice this summer here

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-465174-1.html

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Jul 14, 2017 18:32:59   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Just Fred wrote:
I'm not sure of your point. There are multiple sources (I said I did a lot of research) and the majority of them rate the D7500 higher than the D7200. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, and I hope you are happy with your D7200.


Of course we do have to realize that the manufacturers probably pay these sources to review their products favorably. I haven't read too many negative reviews of any camera. Some will rate highly, mentioning a couple niggling negatives, but overall rate it highly. It means money to the manufacturers, and giving a new camera a high rating encourages sales.

That said, I don't feel that the D7500 is a replacement for either the D7200 or the D500. I believe it stands on its own, in its own niche. It's not a bad camera, for sure, just different. If I didn't have a camera and were in the market for one, I'd have a hard time choosing between the D7200 and the D7500.

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Jul 14, 2017 18:38:31   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Aside from the obvious degradation of the 7500 in terms of extensive use of plastic rather than metal, only one SD card slot, no battery grip (probably because of the plastic body), the DxO score is in. https://nikonrumors.com/2017/07/13/nikon-d7500-tested-at-dxomark.aspx/

D7200 87
D7500 86
D3400 86
A6300 85
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So if you want to save some money, buy the D3400 or the superior D7200. It is hard to believe that the 7500 doesn’t have a battery grip. The body is meant for high speed, long, heavy lenses. Such setups are uncomfortable to handle without a grip. I wish Nikon would start getting things right. -- Today I sent in another D750 body for a replacement shutter.

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There is only one solution to your incessant trolling.



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