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Jun 4, 2017 14:11:55   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
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For sure there are areas where the 7500 is an improvement over the 7200. But, there are areas where it is a step backwards.

I saw some early dpreview test target shots where the D500 looks very slightly sharper than the 7500. Past dpr test shots have given the 7200 a slight edge over the 500 in sharpness. That, of course, caused much consternation amongst D500 owners who promote that specialized body for general use. With the 7500 Nikon has solved that conflict by reducing the 7200’s pixel count from 24mp to 20mp for the 7500.

To make the 500/7500 distinction even greater, Nikon decided to eliminate one SD card slot thus lowering any professional photographers desire for the 7500 body.

From first reports some plastic has been substituted for the metal castings of the 7200. Nikon likes to call their plastic polycarbonate. How much more plastic is in the new body will eventually be revealed.

The design of the 7500 forbids use of an external battery pack and vertical controls.

These changes, and others, were made to draw a sharp distinction between pro 500 and the amateur 7500. A distinction that was lacking with the 7200.

Recently, Nikon’s sales have not been very good. The ill-advised cheapening and dumbing down of the 7200 is a good example of why those sales are poor.

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Jun 4, 2017 14:24:11   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
It is not a "professional" style body in any way, it is designed for that elusive group called "consumers." It has WiFi and Bluetooth, tilting touch screen LCD and 4k video. The additional card slot was eliminated probably because market research indicated that consumers did not care about 2 memory card slots.

Sales are down because of the market strengths of mirror-less cameras. However, the recent reports of Sony's flagship A9 overheating and shutting down after 20 min use may change all that.

Bottom line is, with the proliferation of smartphones, the consumer camera market is drying up. I believe Nikon is going to concentrate on Professionals and Prosumers.

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Jun 4, 2017 14:27:44   #
IBM
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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For sure there are areas where the 7500 is an improvement over the 7200. But, there are areas where it is a step backwards.

I saw some early dpreview test target shots where the D500 looks very slightly sharper than the 7500. Past dpr test shots have given the 7200 a slight edge over the 500 in sharpness. That, of course, caused much consternation amongst D500 owners who promote that specialized body for general use. With the 7500 Nikon has solved that conflict by reducing the 7200’s pixel count from 24mp to 20mp for the 7500.

To make the 500/7500 distinction even greater, Nikon decided to eliminate one SD card slot thus lowering any professional photographers desire for the 7500 body.

From first reports some plastic has been substituted for the metal castings of the 7200. Nikon likes to call their plastic polycarbonate. How much more plastic is in the new body will eventually be revealed.

The design of the 7500 forbids use of an external battery pack and vertical controls.

These changes, and others, were made to draw a sharp distinction between pro 500 and the amateur 7500. A distinction that was lacking with the 7200.

Recently, Nikon’s sales have not been very good. The ill-advised cheapening and dumbing down of the 7200 is a good example of why those sales are poor.

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Yes all the reports of testers that I come across they all seem to give it a thumbs down . If I was looking for a new upgrade, and if this is
All that Nikon had in this range, I would be turning to canon , I may do that any way on my next camera purchase.

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Jun 4, 2017 15:13:50   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
And the price will be $1250 firm, unless 42nd Photo sells a gray market version for less money and additional scam offers to force on you. Considering you can get a brand new D7200 for $1000, the $250+ extra for this camera is the least impressive to me. You'd be better off saving your pennies and opting for a D500 going now for about $1800 brand new. And in the next year, you will most likely get good refurbished prices around $1600. I just don't see present D7200 camera owners buying this D7500. I'm curious to see how this camera will sell. It is soon to be released. You may see refurbished models on the D7500 sooner than expected, due to consumers returns. Price $1100, thereabouts?

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Jun 4, 2017 16:35:49   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
It is not a "professional" style body in any way, it is designed for that elusive group called "consumers." It has WiFi and Bluetooth, tilting touch screen LCD and 4k video. The additional card slot was eliminated probably because market research indicated that consumers did not care about 2 memory card slots.

Sales are down because of the market strengths of mirror-less cameras. However, the recent reports of Sony's flagship A9 overheating and shutting down after 20 min use may change all that.

Bottom line is, with the proliferation of smartphones, the consumer camera market is drying up. I believe Nikon is going to concentrate on Professionals and Prosumers.
It is not a "professional" style body in... (show quote)


Have you actually seen ANY examples of the A9 shutting down? The only thing I have seen has been the indicator to come on, but the camera worked just fine.

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Jun 4, 2017 17:13:17   #
CO
 
I think that Nikon has been trying to pinch-pennies lately. When they went from the D3300 to the D3400, they eliminated the ultrasonic sensor cleaner and gave the pop-up flash one-half the power of the previous. Now with the D7500, they eliminated the second card slot and are using more polycarbonate in the body. It's also possible they eliminated the second card slot in the D7500 so that it doesn't compete too much with the D500. Also, not designing it to be used with a vertical grip is another way to keep it from competing with the D500. It's all clever manipulation.

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Jun 4, 2017 20:41:24   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
tdekany wrote:
Have you actually seen ANY examples of the A9 shutting down? The only thing I have seen has been the indicator to come on, but the camera worked just fine.


This is a Youtube photographer whose opinion I respect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGl9Tl6Sao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V086ihTlnoo&t=447s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHidVzzHVag&t=108s

I think the 3rd video, and I watched them days ago, has a Sony response report. The overheating happened not during video, but during "slow fps photographs". Imagine if you leave the A9 in your car for 15 minutes even in the US or use it at a safari in Africa.

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Jun 4, 2017 20:46:50   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
...Bottom line is, with the proliferation of smartphones, the consumer camera market is drying up. I believe Nikon is going to concentrate on Professionals and Prosumers.


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Let's say you're right. Why would Nikon remove pro and prosumer features from the D750 if they are concentrating on those two types of consumers? I think Nikon saved money by not producing a new sensor for the 750 and then had to delete 7200 features to differentiated the 500 from the 750.

Nikon's actions look disorganized with no overall strategy.

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Jun 4, 2017 20:54:35   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
This is a Youtube photographer whose opinion I respect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGl9Tl6Sao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V086ihTlnoo&t=447s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHidVzzHVag&t=108s

I think the 3rd video, and I watched them days ago, has a Sony response report. The overheating happened not during video, but during "slow fps photographs". Imagine if you leave the A9 in your car for 15 minutes even in the US or use it at a safari in Africa.
This is a Youtube photographer whose opinion I res... (show quote)


One video the person left the camera in the hot sun just sitting and nothing happened.

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Jun 4, 2017 20:57:25   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
This is a Youtube photographer whose opinion I respect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGl9Tl6Sao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V086ihTlnoo&t=447s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHidVzzHVag&t=108s

I think the 3rd video, and I watched them days ago, has a Sony response report. The overheating happened not during video, but during "slow fps photographs". Imagine if you leave the A9 in your car for 15 minutes even in the US or use it at a safari in Africa.
This is a Youtube photographer whose opinion I res... (show quote)


Yes he is the guy, but where did you see the camera turning off? I have seen another person having similar issues but the camera never turned off itself.

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Jun 4, 2017 23:59:01   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
From first reports some plastic has been substituted for the metal castings of the 7200. Nikon likes to call their plastic polycarbonate.
That is like saying "Sony likes to call their metal aluminum". Polycarbonate is a plastic, a "space age" plastic, one of those plastics regularly substituted for metal in cutting-edge projects such as stealth airplanes.

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Jun 5, 2017 00:47:01   #
IBM
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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Let's say you're right. Why would Nikon remove pro and prosumer features from the D750 if they are concentrating on those two types of consumers? I think Nikon saved money by not producing a new sensor for the 750 and then had to delete 7200 features to differentiated the 500 from the 750.

Nikon's actions look disorganized with no overall strategy.

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He's writing about the D7500. Not the the d750 I think

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Jun 5, 2017 00:58:03   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
IBM wrote:
He's writing about the D7500. Not the the d750 I think


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Thanks, there should be one more 0. 7500 not 750.

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Jun 5, 2017 01:17:04   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
rehess wrote:
That is like saying "Sony likes to call their metal aluminum". Polycarbonate is a plastic, a "space age" plastic, one of those plastics regularly substituted for metal in cutting-edge projects such as stealth airplanes.


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Actually it is like saying: " Let's save some money and make the camera out of plastic." A lot of plastic would certainly differentiate the 7500 from the 500 a well as from the 7200. As I already said, we don't yet know how much plastic is being used in the 7500.

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Jun 5, 2017 06:28:09   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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For sure there are areas where the 7500 is an improvement over the 7200. But, there are areas where it is a step backwards.

I saw some early dpreview test target shots where the D500 looks very slightly sharper than the 7500. Past dpr test shots have given the 7200 a slight edge over the 500 in sharpness. That, of course, caused much consternation amongst D500 owners who promote that specialized body for general use. With the 7500 Nikon has solved that conflict by reducing the 7200’s pixel count from 24mp to 20mp for the 7500.

To make the 500/7500 distinction even greater, Nikon decided to eliminate one SD card slot thus lowering any professional photographers desire for the 7500 body.

From first reports some plastic has been substituted for the metal castings of the 7200. Nikon likes to call their plastic polycarbonate. How much more plastic is in the new body will eventually be revealed.

The design of the 7500 forbids use of an external battery pack and vertical controls.

These changes, and others, were made to draw a sharp distinction between pro 500 and the amateur 7500. A distinction that was lacking with the 7200.

Recently, Nikon’s sales have not been very good. The ill-advised cheapening and dumbing down of the 7200 is a good example of why those sales are poor.

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Yes, it does seem that Nikon is making serious amateurs take a look at the D500, if they had been considering buying a D7500. Given the choice, I would get a D7200, with its two slots, more MP, and pop-up flash.

As for the polycarbonate, in many ways, it is better than steel/magnesium/titanium that they might use in their bodies.

https://www.creativemechanisms.com/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-polycarbonate-pc

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