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Jul 10, 2017 17:23:23   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
WessoJPEG wrote:
I don't struggle with this stuff. Bought a canon from Abe's ten years ago
Still works . Bought my Nikon D7200 from a guy on Craigs List. I've never checked shutter count and don't care if it's grey item or not. Works fine. Why struggle and sweat over trivial matters. Never needed warranty work. Have a good day.


Thanks for your reply. Years ago I also bought a few items from Abe's too but ownership has changed. I just bought a 1DXMKII and after 623 shots it needed work, glad I had a good warranty.. You are right, no need to sweat over small items. I have been buying new cameras since the mid 60's and this is the first time I ever had a problem. On used items I too don't care where it came from as long as it's not "hot" and it works.

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Jul 10, 2017 18:28:13   #
dlay Loc: Maynardville, tn
 
Got email, said was shipped, would be delivered by wed. So far have had good luck with them, may be different this time. I got to thinking, I have bought three cameras and some accessories from them, all good. Didnt get a phone call either.

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Jul 10, 2017 18:46:31   #
J2e Loc: Canandaigua, NY
 
markjay wrote:
so what if its grey market. Its the same lens. How many times did not need warranty service on a lens.

And if you check my past posts - I have stated the way to get service is buy this lens. Then buy the same lens from Adorama. Then return the lens from Adorama. Now you have a receipt for the lens from an American dealer.

No - you are not screwing Adorama. You are not screwing anybody. You are simply forcing Canon to provide a warranty - which they should do anyway - but they are ripping you off with their warranty policies !
YOu re not really screwing Canon - but they will think that ! hahaha
so what if its grey market. Its the same lens. ... (show quote)

Where is your integrity man?
Some people sell out pretty cheap.
I guess you're one of them.

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Jul 10, 2017 19:28:27   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
dlay wrote:
I am looking for a canon efs 18-135 is stm lens, why is abes of maine so much cheaper than most others, they have a new white box at $279 on a july sale. This is far cheaper than I have found it other places.


Google them as see for yourself.

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Jul 10, 2017 21:10:27   #
dlay Loc: Maynardville, tn
 
Got email, said was on the way, no phone calls, thinking, I have bought three cameras and other things from them, no bad results. I hope this goes as well.

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Jul 11, 2017 03:48:38   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
You forgot about the part where the voice activation responds only to Japanese.


It is funny you should mention that. Many decades, say late Nineteen Eighties I bought a Minolta Talker 35mm Film P&S for my parents. I figured it might be helpful for them. Though I think even for them once the camera walks you through loading and shooting a could times you can leave the stupid sound off. Funny thing was, if you set the switch between Talk and Off it spoke in Japanese and not English! Silly

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Jul 12, 2017 19:04:09   #
dlay Loc: Maynardville, tn
 
I ordered the lens, received it today, in white box, appears factory new, havent tried yet. I have bought three cameras and some accessories from them in past. I hope this is as good.

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Jul 12, 2017 20:38:07   #
dlay Loc: Maynardville, tn
 
Gene51 wrote:
Wait until you try and sell it and the prospective buyer asks the question - Is this lens gray market? There goes your savings . . . Just sayin'


How do you tell if it is grey market?

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Jul 12, 2017 20:59:13   #
Haydon
 
dlay wrote:
How do you tell if it is grey market?


1.) Check to see if a US warranty card is included.
2.) Call Canon and give them a serial number.

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Jul 12, 2017 22:10:10   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
dlay wrote:
How do you tell if it is gray market?

You ask what kind of warranty comes with it.

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Jul 13, 2017 00:55:45   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
dlay wrote:
How do you tell if it is grey market?


Please let us know! Thanks

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Jul 13, 2017 00:58:28   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
dlay wrote:
How do you tell if it is grey market?


1) Ask!
2) price is ridiculously low
3) it's marked "international version"
4) it's sold by Abe's of Maine or 42nd St. Photo
5) it has no warranty, a store warranty, or an international warranty (meaning it is not sold by an official, authorized USA-based importer)

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Jul 13, 2017 09:50:02   #
dlay Loc: Maynardville, tn
 
None of this happened, I got the stm lens for $279 and it is new in white box, no phone calls etc.
amfoto1 wrote:
"... any USA warranty/non-gray-market lens purchased in the USA from any authorized dealer, would be covered by the USA warranty."

Canon will repair gray market (which some authorized dealers also sell... B&H calls them "imported" now, but it's the same thing). However, there's technically no warranty on gray market items. So they are supposed to charge you for any repair work. I have heard of Canon waiving repair cost on gray market items fairly often... essentially honoring the international warranty even though they're under no obligation to do so.

Gray market items are physically identical to USA warranty items... no better, no worse. The only difference is the way they were imported... Using "unofficial" channels and taking advantage of currency exchange rates, gray market importers can knock a few dollars off the price of an item.

"White box" items are not necessarily gray market. For example, a white-box lens is one that was originally bundled with a camera by the manufacturer. The retailer has split up the bundle and sold off the camera separately and is taking advantage of the discounted pricing manufacturers typically offer with bundles.

For example, Walmart is offering the Canon EF-S 18-135mm IS STM lens for $549. This is the standard price for that version of the lens, packaged and sold individually. The same lens can be bought in "white box" at B&H Photo for $399. How they can offer this is obvious if you compare how a T7i is priced when factory bundled with the lens ($1049) versus body-only ($749)... Buying the bundle you essentially pay $300 for the lens. B&H can split them up and sell separately, making an additional $99 profit on the lens, but still significantly discounting it from it's usual selling price.

Buying from Abe's of Maine... BE VERY CAREFUL. There are three different EF-S 18-135mm lenses...

1. original and cheapest version with micro motor focus drive... slower focusing and noisier... not great for video and not really up to some tasks such as sports/action photography.
2. a better one with STM (stepper motor) focus drive that's faster, smoother and quieter.... preferable for video work, but still a little slow for sports/action shooting.
3. the newest one with even faster "Nano USM" focus drive (2X to 4X faster than the STM version, according to Canon), yet still quiet and smooth for video work (non-Nano USM is fast, but isn't great for video).

Wherever you saw that low priced 18-135mm, it's probably being the cheapest version, maybe white box or gray market too.... and might be a "bait and switch". If you place an order to buy it, they'll email or call you and tell you it's out of stock or that it's a "Chinese version" that won't work correctly on your American camera, and offer you one of the others at a better price.... And if you accept that offer, pay the higher price, you may or may not get what you ordered... it might actually end up being the cheapest one, even though you paid more.

If you Google "Abe's of Maine" reviews, they aren't very encouraging. According to the Better Business Bureau, their parent company Westpark Electronics, LLC has 133 complaints filed against it and 12 out of 12 consumer reviews are negative. Yelp gives them two stars out of five (259 individual reviews). Consumeraffairs.com gives them one star out of five (30 votes). NBC News cited them as an example of bait and switch, shady electronics sales outfits, in a news story about purchasing an HDTV. http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/abes-of-maine/internet/abes-of-maine-bait-and-switch-1143123 describes their "sales technique" pretty thoroughly. Abe's is actually in NJ, by the way. I think at one time they were a legit store in Maine. One outlier, resellerratings.com has a pretty good overall rating. But I rarely refer to that site any more... I'm pretty sure the shysters have figured out how to manipulate the results there, to boost their scores.
"... any b USA warranty/non-gray-market /b ... (show quote)

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Jul 13, 2017 10:10:36   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
dlay wrote:
None of this happened, I got the stm lens for $279 and it is new in white box, no phone calls etc.


Yes, but did you get any warranty? If so what kind?

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Jul 13, 2017 17:35:25   #
DPERDELWITZ
 
I bought a 7dII from them a while back. No warranty papers but in a Canon box. Was missing the wi-fi card which I probably wouldn't use anyway. Went to register it with Canon and got the full warranty. Was scared after reading all the reviews about them though and would not do it again.

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