Bison Bud

I was aware of the new tilt screen and consider it a nice improvement as well, but I'll have to read up on the 5 axis stabilization thing. I seldom make movies, but having the option to take quality ones is well worth considering and I'll need to compare those qualities from model to model before giving the movie thing much weight in my decision to buy. I also really appreciate the improved seals and added weather resistance and realize that all this cost money to bring to market. At this point, a used 5D3 may well be a good choice for me, especially at the $1500.00 price point mentioned here. I am certainly not above buying used or reconditioned, but would much prefer a new purchase if possible.

So far, no one has even mentioned the Nikon offerings and the 610 appears to be a lot of bang for the bucks. I have been a canon shooter for quite a while and have a couple of EF lenses that I could use on a FF body, but really don't have enough money invested in lenses to lock me into Canon, however, I am indeed leaning that way and have been very happy with the canon products I now own and use.

I guess that I'm also a bit confused about the "outdated product" statement made about the 6DII above and would appreicate some more information about that statement if possible. Otherwise, I really appreciate all the input so far!

Marionsho Loc: Kansas

Welcome to the Hog, Bison Bud.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Do some more research. Every hands on review i've seen that mentions it indicates video only. Re read the Canon spec.

Haydon

Today was the first day Canon sells refurbished for $2799.00

Smudgey Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona

There is nothing outdated about the 6D Mk2, looks like a great camera.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

First things first... The MSRP of the new model can't be directly compared with the with the current street price of the old model. In fact, the 6D Mark II is actually priced slighlty less than the original 6D was, when it was first introduced. The 6DII will cost $2000. The original 6D list price was $2100 when it was announced in Sept. 2012. Now, after almost five years and a highly anticipated replacement model announcement, the "street price" of the original 6D has settled to $1700, and in addition Canon has been offering $300 instant rebate off that to help clear the shelves for the new model. So right now you can buy a brand new, full warranty 6D, body-only, from a well-established, reputable, authorized dealer for $1400. But if you want the new model, body-only will cost you $2000 from the same dealer.

The 6D Mark II upgrades appear to be very solid:

- It inherits the 80D's 45-point AF system (not the 70D's 19-point as previous responses have stated). The 45-point AF system - also now being used in the T7i/800D and 77D - is a very nice upgrade from the rather "old school" 11-point AF of the original 6D. The 45-point AF uses all higher performance dual axis/cross type AF points. The old 11-point system only had one cross type point at the center and it's other 10 points were lower performance single axis type. Both old and new systems are able to focus to -3EV light levels (this was a first in the original 6D, but is now pretty standard on all recent Canon models). The old camera's AF was "f/5.6 limited", while the new system is "f/8 capable", which allows more used of teleconverter/lens combinations. For example, the original 6D is not able to autofocus an EF 100-400mm II f/4.5-5.6 lens fitted with a 1.4X teleconverters... But the new camera can. The only minor complaint I've heard about the new camera's AF is that 45-point array is fairly centered... doesn't cover a particularly large percentage of the image area. Perhaps Canon didn't scale it up much or at all, adapting the 45-point system from an APS-C camera to the larger full frame format. Whether or not this new AF would be a big benefit to a user depends upon what they shoot with the camera. Certainly it will be a better system for any sort of action shooting.... But sports and wildlife are often better done with a crop sensor camera anyway, aren't really the forté of full frame cameras such as the 6DII. Someone using the cameras primarily for sedentary subjects or who tends to use Single Point method a lot is less likely to find the new AF system as important an upgrade.

- Increase from 20MP to 26MP and higher settable native ISO range. We'll have to wait and see how the new camera actually does with image quality in general and especially how it handles it's highest high ISOs... But for a long time the original 6D was considered the best high ISO Canon model. Likely the new one will be similarly capable. The old camera had ISO 100-25600, extendable to 102400. The new model has a modest increase to ISO 100-40000, extendable to 102400.

- Increase in continuous shooting rate from 4.5 frames per second to a fairly impressive 6.5 fps. The new camera also can shoot HD video at 60fps, where the old one topped out at 30fps. There also is a new "quiet mode" setting to reduce shutter and mirror slap noise. (Note: I assume quite mode slows down continuous shooting frame rates a bit, the way it does on other cameras.)

- The articulated, variable angle touchscreen LCD rear display is a first in Canon full frame cameras and should be a popular addition. All previous Canon full frame have had fixed screens. The more versatile rear display goes hand-in-hand with an upgrade to Canon's Dual Pixel Auto Focus that greatly speeds up AF in Live View mode, making this much more usable with active subjects.

- In addition to WiFi connectivity, the new camera now also has Bluetooth/NFC.

- Reportedly there also are some improvements in sealing for dust and weather resistance.

- Reportedly the new model has "5-way digital stabilization".... we'll have to wait and see how this works (feature also found in the 77D and T7i/800D that were recently introduced). Of course, many Canon lenses that would be used on the camera already have optical image stabilization.

- There's a new battery grip being introduced for 6DII. The one that fit original 6D apparently won't work, even though it appears very similar.

WillieWisconsin

While some may not care about this camera having two memory card slots, I can honestly say that personally for me it would be a deal breaker. Without getting into to great of detail here, I have come to value and appreciate the benefits of having two cards in the camera, and now I wouldn't ever think of doing a job without having that backup card. Otherwise, I think the 6D Mark ll is a wonderfully spec'd camera. But I'll take my D810's over anything!

Marionsho Loc: Kansas

Welcome to the Forum, WillieWisconsin.
Do you use your second card slot for overflow? Or as a backup to the first card?
Marion

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

As I said, I don't do video so it will mean nothing to me if it is video only. I have done well with my in lens IS and high SS on my birds. And as for my macro/focus stacking, doesn't mean anything there either. Many of the other new features do appeal to me. But I really was hoping for more mega pixels for more resolution. I don't want the 5DSr, the resolution is great but for some reason I just don't want one.
The 5DIV looks good to me, esp since it gets more resolution and has a killer AF system.
Ah, I am just dreaming, money will be very tight around here for a long time. Our daughter is sending out applications to a few dozen medical schools. Just the applications cost big $ and when she starts, unless she gets a lot of grants etc money will just wave hi as it goes by on the way to the school. She has even considered one of the gvt programs where they pay your way and you put in X years working for them. I recommended she look into it. She is considering the Air Force program.

speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho

The 6D II is available aready, and yes, the af has improved, but the price did not, it is still under $2000!!

speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho

If you think 45 focus points is too much, why then would you prefer/chose a 5D M III, because it has quite a bit more than 45?

WillieWisconsin

Hi Marion. I appreciate your welcome to the forum. In response to your inquiry, the second card is always used as a backup. I almost always use 32 or 64GB cards, so overflow is never an issue with what I'm doing. Just three weeks ago, had some corrupted images due to an issue with the memory card, the second card saved the day, and my credibility. That's why my next camera will always have two card slots.

Marionsho Loc: Kansas

Thanx for the reply. I don't really see any need for a second slot with cards getting so large in memory capacity. It only makes sense as a backup.
Marion

juicesqueezer Loc: Okeechobee, Florida

Or you could find a great used 1Dx for around $3000 with less than 15k clicks! Just thought I would mentioned this.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Your college financing situation is very familiar to me - not sure whether to congratulate you on your daughter's accomplishments or commiserate with you (I am still paying off my son's school loans). It reminds me of an old friend who ran a small Polynesian restaurant which we frequented almost weekly. He had two children enrolled at Duke University (which has an indescribably high tuition). On the day they graduated, we ate at his restaurant, and after dinner, we were standing outside talking (he, covered in sweat from his work in the kitchen). I congratulated him on having not one, but two children graduating from Duke, and mentioned that he could now take it easier. "No", he said. "Bad news. One accepted to medical school, the other to law school".

I'm putting off upgrading from a 5D3 to a 5D4 for the same reason as you 😩.