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May 19, 2017 05:58:28   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
travisdeland wrote:
I'm also with you on this point-the keeper rate of shooting my 400L from a tripod, vs. handheld is definitely higher. I was VERY interested in the 100-400 Sig when it was first announced, especially when I learned it was compatible with the 1.4TC (for the 150-600)that I already owned-the lack of tripod support has dampened my enthusiasm for the lens considerably. Guess at this point, I'll wait until the GSM Photo Summit in November, where I can borrow one from the Sigma rep to try, before making the decision to buy. Who knows, Sigma may realize they've stepped on their d*%k with the their golf cleats, and develop a solution by then.
I'm also with you on this point-the keeper rate of... (show quote)


I shoot the Nikon D500 with the Nikon 200-500 f5.6 lens hand held for birds in flight. I generally shoot in Group Auto Focus using the center spot on my camera, Nikon then puts 4 spots around that one for a total of 5. I shoot at 1/1600 sec. minimum but usually higher around 1/2500 sec at f6.3. I have NEVER used a tripod cause it gets in the way and I can track a bird easier hand held without a tripod. My keep rate is almost 98%. The only time I use a tripod collar is to reverse it so I can use it as a handle to carry around. I shoot over 10,000 images a month without a problem. Tripods just do not make it for birds in flight.

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May 19, 2017 06:14:31   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
imagemeister wrote:
I understand the lite weight and compact design - but f6.3 and no collar - what were they thinking ????


That's an opportunity for the aftermarket.

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May 19, 2017 07:15:05   #
Jim Bob
 
Gene51 wrote:
Jim, I am hardly an exceptional photographer, but thanks for the thought.

What I am is a pretty average photographer of 50 yrs, with decent skills, and a never ending thirst for knowledge and how to improve what I do. Seriously. Not being falsely modest. I do meet truly exceptional photographers all the time, and love the opportunity to learn at least one thing (hopefully more), from each of them. And as generous with their knowledge at they can be, I try to do the same here and in other areas. I teach and mentor beginners and working pros alike, and doing that helps me pay for new equipment without involving our household budget and "permission" from the wife.

What I do with a long lens is far from magic or exceptionally skillful. I just stand like a person on a rifle range, with my body aligned to the direction I am shooting (not facing front, but with my left shoulder pointed at my target), my left elbow is dug into my ribs, my left had supporting the lens from below, right finger pressing the shutter, and like Imagemeister says - using head and face to further stabilize the camera. If the subject is a perched bird, I breathe normally and wait until I exhale, pressing the shutter at the end of the exhale. If I am panning for a moving subject, I rotate at my hip to follow, not upsetting the equilibrium of my upper body. The quieter your upper body is, the better your "keeper rate" will be. A quiet upper body is something I taught intermediate and expert skiers to get them to stop crashing and make cleaner turns. It also works well for photography.

I recognize I am using the wrong camera for this - a D800 is hardly a "go to camera" for shooting active subjects. But I do get what I set out to get, most of the time, anyway. I'd say my keeper rate ranges between 10% and 30% or higher, depending on what I am shooting and where I am. With perched birds I can hit as high as 70% in good light, or as little as 10% in poor light, where the camera has trouble acquiring focus. The first image, the cowbird, was one of those - ISO 1000, but the best I could do was 1/30 sec. I totally relied on the bird not moving and the OS on the lens doing it's thing. I fired off 8 shots - I got 4 without movement from my camera, but in the other 4 the bird moved. Of the 4, the best composition was the one I posted, I have already deleted the others - so for this particular bird my "keeper rate" was 1 in 8, though 3 where technically ok, just not aesthetically to my liking. It varies like this all the time. Recently I was out west, and spent some time at Yolo Bypass nature reserve, and shot 75 pics of burrowing owls. All of them were in focus. But I only really liked about 6. Technically, my keeper rate was 100% - but from an aesthetic point of view, less than 10% were shots I was totally happy with.
Jim, I am hardly an exceptional photographer, but ... (show quote)


Like I said, you are exceptional photographer. Thanks for more pointers that mediocre photographers like myself can most definitely use.

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May 19, 2017 08:16:38   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
jerryc41 wrote:
That's an opportunity for the aftermarket.


I AM working on it !

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May 19, 2017 08:45:16   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Anybody had an opportunity to use this lens? How does it perform?


I have an older Sigma 170-500mm. All my shots are handheld

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May 19, 2017 08:55:01   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
I own and use the new Canon 100-400mm zoom lens. From my own experience with this lens and others, I agree with Ken Rockwell that nowadays using image stabilization, the photographer can omit the tripod from his gear. Still, the photographer must take care with handheld technique in doing his photography.

That said, I have mounted my camera with lens on a tripod. I weighted the tripod with a sandbag hanging from under the center of the tripod attachment plate. I had the camera set to mirror lockup. I put a bubble level in the shoe mount. I used a shutter cable to avoid any camera movement from pushing the shutter button.

After the first click to lock up the mirror, I observed the bubble level, noting that the mirror lockup action induced a small movement that showed in a slight disturbance of the bubble level fluid for a couple of seconds. After this short wait, I did the second click, to release the shutter.

This setup absolutely minimized any movement affecting the camera and causing image blur. All my images came out very sharp right from the camera.

And that said, I have to ask myself if I should go through all these steps when doing my photography in the field? My answer No, for good reason -- in most cases. Image stabilization with careful hand-holding and a software filter (Camera Shake Reduction), I can obtain very sharp images minus a tripod.

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May 19, 2017 11:40:42   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Like I said, you are exceptional photographer. Thanks for more pointers that mediocre photographers like myself can most definitely use.


Thanks, I think . . .

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May 19, 2017 11:42:50   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
billnikon wrote:
I shoot the Nikon D500 with the Nikon 200-500 f5.6 lens hand held for birds in flight. I generally shoot in Group Auto Focus using the center spot on my camera, Nikon then puts 4 spots around that one for a total of 5. I shoot at 1/1600 sec. minimum but usually higher around 1/2500 sec at f6.3. I have NEVER used a tripod cause it gets in the way and I can track a bird easier hand held without a tripod. My keep rate is almost 98%. The only time I use a tripod collar is to reverse it so I can use it as a handle to carry around. I shoot over 10,000 images a month without a problem. Tripods just do not make it for birds in flight.
I shoot the Nikon D500 with the Nikon 200-500 f5.6... (show quote)


Group AF is amazing! Only 98%, though . . .

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May 19, 2017 11:58:25   #
silveragemarvel Loc: Keller, Texas
 
Gene51 wrote:
Love your gimbal. I've been using the same one since 2006. I've taken 1000s of pics using it. Flawless, cheap, can probably hold 100bs without giving it a second thought.

I adapted it to use Arca Swiss plates by attaching an Arca-Swiss compatible clamp.

http://www.hejnarphotostore.com/product-p/f63.htm

The bolt pattern perfectly fits the pattern in the Manfrotto plate, and you can use three screws to attach it.


I've thought of doing same. So just the clamp was enough to make it Arca-swiss compatible? I talked to the owner of that company and he makes 1 or 2 other styles just for this gimbal type. Mine is the older Manfrotto 3421. There is a newer version which his clamps have been designed around. He was not sure if they also fit my. His clamps slide into the existing Manfrotto mount.

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May 19, 2017 12:27:28   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
silveragemarvel wrote:
I've thought of doing same. So just the clamp was enough to make it Arca-swiss compatible? I talked to the owner of that company and he makes 1 or 2 other styles just for this gimbal type. Mine is the older Manfrotto 3421. There is a newer version which his clamps have been designed around. He was not sure if they also fit my. His clamps slide into the existing Manfrotto mount.


I'll send you a pic in a minute

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May 19, 2017 13:01:34   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 


I use the Kirk version for my Nikkor 200-500.

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May 19, 2017 13:24:35   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
I'm always using my 400/5.6 handheld, hell, I never had it on a tripod yet and I have this lens for about 8 years, but a least it does have a tripod collar! It is so light weight that it does not need one, but the force of leverage (due to its length) does indeed make it a necessity, if one want to use it on a tripod for a lengthy time! This might bites Sigma back in the Ass, omitting such a feature on this lens.

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May 19, 2017 15:31:03   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Anybody had an opportunity to use this lens? How does it perform?


https://www.cameralabs.com/sigma-100-400mm-f5-6-3-os-review/

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May 19, 2017 15:47:01   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
speters wrote:
I'm always using my 400/5.6 handheld, hell, I never had it on a tripod yet and I have this lens for about 8 years, but a least it does have a tripod collar! It is so light weight that it does not need one, but the force of leverage (due to its length) does indeed make it a necessity, if one want to use it on a tripod for a lengthy time! This might bites Sigma back in the Ass, omitting such a feature on this lens.


Do not let the light weight fool you ......there is no IS AND 400mm magnification - and yes, you can use super high SS at the expense of ISO - NOT recommended .....especially on crop frame.

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May 19, 2017 17:40:54   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
imagemeister wrote:
Do not let the light weight fool you ......there is no IS AND 400mm magnification - and yes, you can use super high SS at the expense of ISO - NOT recommended .....especially on crop frame.


This woman does all of her birds with a 400 F5.6 and initially with a 70D and now with a 5D Mk III - she does not use a tripod or monopod.

https://untamednewyork.smugmug.com/Birds

And she uses ISO 1000 minimum, and will go to 2500 when necessary. Also shoots in Central Park and other metro NY areas, and around the southern Catskill Mts, etc. It really is possible to get it right even if it doesn't fit your way of doing things.

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