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Why I chose Tamron 150-600 over Sigma Contemporary & Sigma Sport
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May 6, 2017 10:13:11   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
abc1234 wrote:
Do not have that problem with the Sigma C and Canon 80D. I wonder if that problem is unique to your body.

I don't know, and I did not mention it to the camera store simply because the rotation of the zoom ring had already soured me on the Sigma C. But I think I will call Patrick at the store this morning and tell him about that problem. It's the least I can do.

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May 6, 2017 10:17:47   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
mikegreenwald wrote:
The Sigma Sport is the sharpest of the three by a significant margin. The only downside I found with it is weight. I've given the other two lenses away.

That was the exact same thing that I found online by all the people who test these things under controlled conditions. However, I noticed that not in a single case, not one, did any tester/reviewer include hand-held pictures in those controlled conditions. Everyone used a tripod. I understood that. These lenses are heavy. Heavy, heavy, heavy. I don't like tripods because they are cumbersome and since I'm creating Photographic Art for my business, I don't need sharp sharp sharp pictures.

I need to know if I can go to Ramona Grasslands or the San Diego National Wildlife Refuge and walk around for 10 hours taking hand held pictures with these monster lenses. I can, by rotating the tripod mount to the top of the lens so that it becomes a hand grip, and by choosing the lens that gave me at least the quality of pictures that I have been getting for 8 years from my Tamron 28-300 lens. The lens that did that the best for me is the Tamron 150-600. That's the one I bought.

I'm also not going to say in one spot for any length of time in the midst of 5,000 acres. Too much to see, too much to do, and walking around is not only how I get my pictures but also how I get a lot of exercise. All my friends my age are suffering from lower metabolism rates and getting fat. I also suffer from lower metabolism rate but my walking around keeps me trim and slim.

The Tamron 28-300 has been my walkaround lense for the last 8 years. The Tamron 150-600 will be my walkaround lense for the foreseeable future, although I noticed when I went to Railfest in Fillmore CA with the rental Tamron 150-600, I did have a desire for the Tamron 28-300. I had left it at home because I wanted to focus on the 150-600. What I did if I needed a panorama of anything other than a moving train was to take up to 18 pictures and then use Photoshop's Photomerge function to stitch those 18 pictures together to give me the full pictures that I otherwise would have gotten at the 28mm end of the Tamron 28-300. After the Tamron 150-600 arrives, I'm buying a new backpack so I can carry my camera and both lenses, as well as reading material and all the other stuff I carry around all the time (phone, tablet, computer). That way if I need the 28-149mm of my old lens, I'll have it. I really do despise changing lenses out in the field, though.

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May 6, 2017 11:18:12   #
bigwolf40 Loc: Effort, Pa.
 
russelray wrote:
I know, but I'm not trying to sell the perfect picture to anyone, nor am I trying to prove to anyone that I can take the perfect picture.

My purpose is to create a business, Photographic Art by Russel Ray Photos, that will provide for me in my old age, which, since I'm 62, is rapidly approaching. I don't expect
my health insurance to survive under Twitler, and I have pre-existing conditions that caused me to have to go without insurance from January 1, 2004, to June 30, 2014. Summary rejection by insurance companies until Obama and the ACA came long. Thus I anticipate needing lots of money for my old age health and living in dealing with Twitler's policies.

Photographic Art by Russel Ray Photos doesn't require sharpness. Similar to a painting; does one really expect sharpness in a painting?

I'm currently doing a little over $10,000 a month selling my Photographic Art. That's not a mistake. A one followed by four zeros. I have a very well-defined target market and I've been in marketing for 51 years, so I know how to market to people. In fact, I even explained my marketing to everyone here at UHH a few years ago. Here it is if you care to read it: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-327835-1.html

The Photographic Art below was created from "throwaway" photos which never ever get thrown away. They simply go into a folder titled "needs serious help." The pedicab was a grossly underexposed picture. I work only with RAW files (CR2/DNG) so I was able to bring up the lighting and shadows, but that introduced noise. Using Topaz DeNoise or Photoshop's own denoise filters and actions created a picture that wasn't sharp, so it's give or take. However, in denoising, I noticed excessively denoising created a beautiful work of Photographic Art.

For the hibiscus flower, it was a grossly overexposed photo, which then created one of my Top 10 best selling Photographic Art works.

I actually have found that the less my Photographic Art looks like a picture, the more sales I get. I'm in the process of removing the poor sellers from my portfolio, all of which look too much like, well, pictures. If someone wants a picture, they can take it with their iPhone or buy something from one of those guys who has a Canon EF 1200mm f/5.6 ($120,000) on a Canon 1DX Mark II ($5,999.00). At the age of 62, my retirement portfolio can't handle those. In fact, if I get catastrophically sick or see that I'm otherwise going to be a burden on society, I'm choosing the suicide route.
I know, but I'm not trying to sell the perfect pic... (show quote)


I liked both your first along with this one. Very interesting. Thanks....Rich

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May 6, 2017 11:47:09   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
speters wrote:
Very strange that you're not interested in sharpness!!


My thoughts exactly. Who doesn't like a sharp lens.

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May 6, 2017 11:53:14   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
My thoughts exactly. Who doesn't like a sharp lens.

If I had a "sharp lens" I would never have been able to carry it around all day without cutting myself! LOL
But is one lens' sharpness over another worth an extra $500 or so, especially or is there a point of diminishing returns for what one uses the lens for?

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May 6, 2017 12:13:47   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Remember Tamron has a 6 year warranty

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May 6, 2017 13:29:23   #
Billbobboy42 Loc: Center of Delmarva
 
Just to set the record straight B&H does accept PayPal. Used it for numerous purchases over the last two or three years.

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May 6, 2017 14:09:27   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
It's not always "buyer's remorse", that results in a return. I purchased a Wacom tablet (B & H) with hopes of using it. I have slight Parkinson's in my right hand. I tried it for a week and discovered I was not able to effectively use it. Do you feel I should have kept it? If B & H (or others) felt their return policy was being abused or not a profitable practice, they would not offer the return of merchandise. It is not necessarily an issue of "morality".
Mark
russelray wrote:
It is, but that's never been my style. If I buy something, I intend on keeping it. The only time I want to return something is if its defective, not simply buyer remorse.

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May 6, 2017 14:46:47   #
Quaking Aspen Loc: Cottage Grove, OR
 
I'm a bit surprised that you didn't consider something like the Sony RX10iii. It has a greater zoom range than the tamron 150-600 when including the digital zoom, it is lighter by far than a canon with the tamron, 2.06 lbs. vs almost 5 lbs, and it is the same price as the tamron lens alone.
I just bought one and so far I like it pretty well.

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May 6, 2017 15:29:37   #
silveragemarvel Loc: Keller, Texas
 
Dunno how rental shops maintain their lenses, Sigma lenses can be "tweaked" using USB dock. Could performance of these lenses have been effected by customization?

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May 6, 2017 15:49:10   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
russelray wrote:
If I were going for realistic real pictures, I'd probably still go with Tamron. I did not notice a $1,000 difference in sharpness at 600mm for the Sport like it, and some of my friends, claimed. Maybe if I were always using a tripod I could see the difference.

Good to know that Adorama now accepts PayPal. They didn't the last time I used them, but that was six years ago.

CPS only offered an extra item for liking them on Facebook. As to Buydig, I think 447,963 sales says quite a lot, and Buydig had the worst rating at 99%. Everyone else was 99.2, 99.5, 99.6, and even 100%. Invariably, though, I almost always choose higher sales volume over low. I would choose 447,963 sales at 95% satisfaction rating over 1,894 sales with 100% satisfaction rating.
If I were going for realistic real pictures, I'd p... (show quote)


The Sigma SPORT, is the only one of these, including the Nikon, which has been weatherproofed. Very important for those of us who shoot in the rain and snow. Can't comment on the new Tamron, except to hope it was better than their first version, but, for my money, the Sigma Sport fit the bill. Best of luck.

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May 6, 2017 16:03:18   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
russelray wrote:

But is one lens' sharpness over another worth an extra $500 or so, especially or is there a point of diminishing returns for what one uses the lens for?


To me it's worth it. But I see your point. Otherwise there wouldn't be other lenses out there if everyone only bought the best. All the cheap dull, I mean less sharp lenses wouldn't be bought by anyone.

Actually, I buy nothing but Canon for my Canon camera bodies because I feel they are the best. But Canon is like other companies, they have lenses that are less expensive (cheap) and some that are more expensive (heavy and sharp). I don't always upgrade to the latest model unless I know for sure that it's way better and that it will make my photos better. For instance, I have the original 24-70mm L series Canon lens. Canon makes a mark II version of the same lens but it has not been proven to me that it's a hell of a lot better than the one I already have. Canon still didn't add Image Stability to this newer lens so I don't feel that I need it. But the new 100-400 mark II zoom was a HUGE improvement in performance and sharpness over the only push pull 100-400 zoom. So I bought it. I also upgraded my 70-200 to the mark II but only because I was able to sell my old one for about the same price I paid for the new one. Otherwise, I never would have upgraded that one.

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May 6, 2017 16:36:21   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
russelray wrote:
I could not choose the Nikon 200-500 because I don't have a Nikon.


Now, isn't that sensible. I would think so.

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May 6, 2017 16:36:50   #
Kissel vonKeister Loc: Georgia
 
russelray wrote:


Hope my actions, experiences, and choice can help someone else, but I would highly recommend renting something like this before you buy. I was lucky because I have a local camera store that rents all sorts of stuff. If you don't, try borrowlenses.com or lensrentals.com or lensprotogo.com.


It was interesting to note that you got into the marketing field at the age of 11.

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May 6, 2017 18:01:21   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Over 500 shots a day. Who can top that? And remember, quality does not matter. I almost forgot. You sell $10,000 monthly.

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