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Nikon - the future looks dim
Apr 17, 2017 10:40:44 #
rmalarz wrote:
You need to do more research. Nikon is just fine. Perhaps you should talk directly to Nikon instead of reading what paid scribblers have to say.
--Bob
--Bob
I have been disappointed by the later Nikons I have bought, and have switched to Fujifilm which seems to really innovate and listens to it's customers.
Apr 17, 2017 11:15:28 #
I have never owned a Nikon, but many times wish I had. I'm just a passionate hobbyist, not a professional photographer, and owned a Canon with 7 lenses. Last year, I decided to buy a smaller light weight camera to travel through Europe with, so bought a Sony A6000. I loved that camera so much that I bought a Sony A7rll. What I then realized was I could still use my Canon lenses with an adapter on my Sony, which was the better option instead of Nikon lenses. So what I am thinking, is the Nikon is still a great camera, always will be, but the mirrorless cameras are becoming more popular, and sales are increasing, supposedly putting Sony full frame cameras in 2nd place above Nikon. What's interesting, is many of Nikon's cameras have Sony sensors. Just my opinion. Check out link below.
https://petapixel.com/2017/04/14/sony-now-2-4-s-full-frame-interchangeable-lens-cameras/
https://petapixel.com/2017/04/14/sony-now-2-4-s-full-frame-interchangeable-lens-cameras/
Apr 17, 2017 11:16:37 #
I would agree that cell phone cameras have, and will continue to, take over the low end market. As David Pine mentioned, I too will not be around when Nikon/Canon folds, if they do. As was said several times, companies need to keep up or they will go the way of Kodak. A few days ago a client for whom I had done a First Communion portrait, asked me if I could make a print from a cell phone photo she took, and I said I'd try. I did make a 5x7 print, almost full frame, and boy did it look bad. No idea what phone she uses, but it looks like every other one, but the file was garbage. There goes my plan of using a cell phone to shoot night football games under the lights! The Nikon cameras I own and have owned, along with 90% of the lenses, have proven to be superior and, as long as they continue to make them, I'll be a customer until I just plain get too old. Then I'll buy a mirrorless or whatever format/system seems best at the time. Provided they keep current, I don't see Nikon or Canon folding any time soon. They both make excellent systems.
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Apr 17, 2017 11:35:08 #
Love that Apple iPhone billboard ad showing a huge iPhone picture of a sunset or something else. If that's what you can do with 50ppi resolution why do we need anything else?
Apr 17, 2017 11:35:42 #
In my last post I posted a link to this, but noticed it did not bring it up correctly, so I copied and pasted the following information below. Please note that I am only suggesting that maybe Nikon sales are down because of Sony full frame cameras. Nikon is still a great camera, no doubt about it. Quoting Petapixel.com:
"Sony has just passed Nikon to become the #2 company in the United States for full-frame interchangeable lens camera sales.
Sony revealed today that its record sales and continued growth has allowed the company to leapfrog Nikon and now trail only Canon. The announcement was based on data collected by NPD Group’s Retail Tracking Service and considered dollars spend on camera gear between January and February 2017.
Sales of its interchangeable lens cameras and lenses have been particularly hot so far this year, Sony says, with double digit growth of 23% in the area of full-frame cameras.
In particular, the growth is due to the popularity of the Sony a7R II and the a7S II, two cameras that have received glowing reviews due to their sensor quality — the a7R II is currently the leader of sensor quality over at DxOMark."
"Sony has just passed Nikon to become the #2 company in the United States for full-frame interchangeable lens camera sales.
Sony revealed today that its record sales and continued growth has allowed the company to leapfrog Nikon and now trail only Canon. The announcement was based on data collected by NPD Group’s Retail Tracking Service and considered dollars spend on camera gear between January and February 2017.
Sales of its interchangeable lens cameras and lenses have been particularly hot so far this year, Sony says, with double digit growth of 23% in the area of full-frame cameras.
In particular, the growth is due to the popularity of the Sony a7R II and the a7S II, two cameras that have received glowing reviews due to their sensor quality — the a7R II is currently the leader of sensor quality over at DxOMark."
Apr 17, 2017 11:49:58 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
MtnMan wrote:
The tilt screen is from the D750. br br The D5xxx... (show quote)
Actually, Canon did something very similar, the Canon 50D was a magnesium alloy body with several semi pro features. They upgraded it to a somewhat downgraded 60D with a polycarbonate body lacking the semi pro features like the joy stick and lens microfocus adjustment, but with many new features including the same sensor as their then new 7D which was their premier APS-C body. Sound familiar? Had they updated the 50D and retained the features they dropped, the 60D might have completed too directly with their own higher level camera. The outcry from Canon shooters at the time was pretty intense, but they survived.
The 70D and 80D are logical decendents of the 60D and no one even seems to remember how upset people got in 2010. Its all about defining their line so so each market segment is covered and there is a logical model progression. If the 80D had.a magnesium alloy body and joystick, it would for most purposes be almost identical to a 7D Mark II and directly compete with it.
Having said that, the new D7500 is not an upgrade to the D7200, but rather a whole new camera within a redefined market segment..
Apr 17, 2017 12:17:37 #
Mark7829 wrote:
That's a lie... When you place Nikon's on Sony w/adapter you lose functionality. Often losing AF and stabilization. You gain nothing but add the cost and weight of an adapter. Stop spreading the lies.
Hey chill man it was a joke!!!!!!
And I can't wait for the little brown truck to arrive tomorrow.
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Apr 17, 2017 12:21:23 #
wj cody
Loc: springfield illinois
NJphotodoc wrote:
Hi all, br br As a loyal Nikon fans for well over... (show quote)
the only time nikon looks dim is if your viewfinder is dirty.
Apr 17, 2017 12:41:14 #
I noticed on the DxO Mark Sensor ratings scale the first Canon that shows up is in 15th place.
Nikon has 6 models above that.
Don't know what stock to place on it but just saying.
Nikon has 6 models above that.
Don't know what stock to place on it but just saying.
Apr 17, 2017 12:56:22 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
Fotoartist wrote:
I noticed on the DxO Mark Sensor ratings scale the first Canon that shows up is in 15th place.
Nikon has 6 models above that.
Don't know what stock to place on it but just saying.
Nikon has 6 models above that.
Don't know what stock to place on it but just saying.
Those ratings are valid but in average day to day usage the difference in results, are generally, much more subtle than some would have you believe. However, there is no question regarding the high quality images possible with the D7200, and I'm a Canon shooter. Still, even with that camera the differences most of the time are not that significant.
Apr 17, 2017 13:29:52 #
rmorrison1116 wrote:
The average person on the street doesn't even know what the real issue with Y2K was.
The billions of dollars spent just because old school programmers wanted to save a couple bytes.
The billions of dollars spent just because old school programmers wanted to save a couple bytes.
As one of those "old school programmers" I can say with absolute certainty that your words don't indicate any understanding.
When I began as a programmer in the mid-1970's, we didn't understand that the software we were writing would survive until 1999 - just getting it run consistently was a reasonable goal. I very specifically remember working on one particular module which would not fit into the computer it was supposed to run on - I spent several days adjusting it so that it never used more memory than the computer actually had, so I had to use every trick available. And it wasn't just internal memory that was an issue - the standard 300 MB disk drive at the time was the size of a washing machine, and each computer would have only so many of them.
But, I doublt if this off-topic jaunt has anything to do with the subject of this thread.
Apr 17, 2017 13:34:02 #
mas24
Loc: Southern CA
I read a recent website article that Sony is now the #1 seller today in full frame cameras, followed by Canon #2 and Nikon #3. The D810 is on the way out with no replacement yet. The D750 is still going strong in sales, but no replacement either Nikon will survive, it needs to get busy with newer efficient models that appeals to their customers. And they need to do it, despite restructuring, as was done last year.
Apr 17, 2017 13:34:57 #
Fotoartist wrote:
Love that Apple iPhone billboard ad showing a huge iPhone picture of a sunset or something else. If that's what you can do with 50ppi resolution why do we need anything else?
Because there are thousands of pictures you cannot capture with an iPhone
(1) iPhones handle motion very poorly {look up "rolling shutter"}
(2) iPhones often have trouble even establishing focus on something moving with respect to it {different issue from (1)}
(3) iPhones typically don't zoom - they are permanently set a wide-angle to take selfies
etc
Apr 17, 2017 13:41:53 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
rehess wrote:
As one of those "old school programmers"... (show quote)
Agree. There are many who don't understand the core technical reasons behind it and either choose to believe that Y2K was the fault of a bunch of incompetent managers and programmers or worse that it was a non existent problem foisted on the public to scare them for some reason. It was neither. I spent almost two years of my life making sure it wouldn't be an issue.
Apr 17, 2017 13:59:40 #
This thread looks like a variant of the Chicken NikLittle "The Sky is Falling" tale. Pentax users are going through the same agony. The simple truth is that they can carry only so many lines {as a Pentax user, I admit to being totally unable to handle the "compare and contrast" composition assignment if it were about the D3xxx, D5xxxx, and D7xxx lines}.
A couple of months ago, I posted a link to a relevant Tony Northrup presentation - in this context, you might want to fast forward to 16:50.
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-443444-1.html
A couple of months ago, I posted a link to a relevant Tony Northrup presentation - in this context, you might want to fast forward to 16:50.
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-443444-1.html
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